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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ???
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:39:36 -0400
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Sandy,
I know that feeling only too well.

I had a CONROY from Iowa, US in contact with me for years, convinced that we
were related, as I had a g-granduncle who emigrated to Iowa - despite the
fact that her relatives were from Galway and I'm from Laois. When I finally
got her to have a male cousin tested, we were not even closely related - me
(DFG6F) and her cousin (D62VA). I have another Conroy from New Jersey who
sends me "family" photos from time to time, convinced we are related by some
unknown means, and doesn't want to get tested.

Meanwhile, a DUNNE (3G5W3), from Laois, where my family is from and which my
family name is a branch of, and is my closest match at 24/25, and who I'm
certain is R1b1b2e or R-M222, but is listed a R1b* - won't get a deep SNP
test and won't join any projects or share information, except the DUNN
project.

Cheers,
Paul

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Sandy Paterson <
> wrote:

> >
> To really find out about the Argyllshire Maclachlans I think you'd have to
> take a lot of DNA swabs to Argyllshire and test 100 of them.
> >
>
>
> I sometimes get the irrational urge to up sticks and move to Argyllshire
> where I would force the locals at gunpoint to have their DNA tested. I'm
> sure you know the feeling.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
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> Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ???
>
> In a message dated 10/7/2008 1:32:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> Question : Are the the McCrackens and Hagans/O'Hagans related to
> O'Neills/O'Kanes?
>
>
> The Hagans could be. There were several different O'Hogan septs linked to
> the Cenel Eoghain, the tribe name of the O'Neills. One of them even
> inaugurated the O'Neill chieftains at Tullahoge. it wouldn't have been a
> close
> relationship though, just a tribal one going back a long ways, depending
> on
> which
> O'Hogan sept it was.
>
> If you have any questions about which septs are traditionally linked to
> the
>
> O'Neills you can check this page on my web site:
>
> _http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm_
> (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm)
>
> MacLysaght has McCracken as a variant of the Scottish McNaughtan.
>
> I have as much interest in solving this Anradan riddle as much as anyone.
> The one thing we'd really like to do in our McLaughin DNA project is
> identify
> some kind of DNA for the Maclachlans of Argyllshire, Scotland. The main
> issue facing McLaughins is am I Irish or Scottish? So many just don't
> know. But
> the DNA question is highly complicated.
>
> William Buchanan of Auchmar, writing in 1723, described several different
> groups of McLaughlins in Scotland still identifiable in his day - and some
> of
> them cannot be linked to the Maclachlans of Argyllshire except by
> guesswork.
> Even the Clan Maclachlan Society admits it isn't sure of some of the
> groups
>
> of Scottish Maclachlans named by Buchanan. What I think we're seeing in
> our
> DNA project is a lot of different McLaughin origins in Scotland. In some
> cases the DNA is so dissimilar I have to suspect the partaker phenomenon
> is
> act
> work where unrelated males routinely assumed the surname of the clan
> chieftain.
>
> We have some McLaughlins in our project who match others named McCloughan
> (you can see these in our Leinster modal section). Evidently one surname
> is a
> corruption of the other - and most likely in this case McLaughlin is a
> corruption of McCloughan which goes back to the Scottish MacClaggan or
> some
> variant
> form. That kind of thing happened all the time. Lesser known surnames
> were
>
> corrupted into better known surnames. Of the two Maclachlan is the much
> better known surname. Our DNA results also have several unrelated groups
> of non
> R1b1c7 McLaughlins some of whom say they are Scottish as well.. Plus a lot
> that don't really match anyone else. Some are pretty close to the various
> Scots modals on Ysearch.
>
> To really find out about the Argyllshire Maclachlans I think you'd have to
> take a lot of DNA swabs to Argyllshire and test 100 of them.
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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