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From: Jeff Scism <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Dubious Paternity descriptions
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:59:51 -0700
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Genetic intrusions were not always from extra-marital sex, there were
adoptions, documented and otherwise, fostering, common law couplings,
and of course extra-marital sex.

There area lot of ways a surname (if used) could get changed, including
changing clans. Being captured could also lead to a surname change.

Jeff

Anthony O'Shaughnessy wrote:
> from Tony O'Shaughnessy
> Re R1b1c7
>
> The correspondence in referring to "Non Paternity Event"
> terminology indicates scope for a bit of fun as well as a search
> for a more logical description.
> The invention of a suitable substitute would be of benefit to all
> involved in Genealogical discussion.
>
> "Extra Marital" (EM) could be used, however Extra Marital
> Affairs or Sex do not necessarily lead to Paternity.
> How about "Irregular Paternity" (IP)
> or
> "Irregular Paternity Event or Intrusion" (IPE or IPI).
> More suggestions please.
>
> A Paternal "IRREGULARIS" in Latin would be somebody whose
> paternal position does not conform to normal societal expectations
> in regard to fatherhood, i.e. the Paternity would be classified as
> "ex defectu", ( refer to the decretals of Pope Innocent 111 ).
> In a pedantic medieval sense this terminology describes
> someone who flouts accepted norms, criminally or otherwise,
> e.g. a rapist, bigamist or unmarried Father ttc.
> It is also a suitably ambiguous description in a modern
> apparently non-judgemental politically correct sense.
>
> Gaelic Irish Society did not have a Biblical attitude to either
> Marriage or illegitimacy.
> Only the offspring of Female Prostitutes were strictly regarded
> as illegitimate and undeserving of the protection of Brehon Law.
>
> Not all Irish O'Neill Family lineages necessarily claim descent
> from Niall of the Nine Hostages or from his descendant
> Niall Gluindubh, e.g. there are O'Neill families in the south of
> Ireland whose ancestry is unconnected to the supposedly
> R1b1c7 Northern Uí Neill.
> Not all apparent O'Neill Family Name DNA differences are
> therefore down to Irregular Paternity Events resulting from
> Extra Marital Affairs.
> TO'S
>
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Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG



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