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From: "Sandy Paterson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ???
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:37:14 +0100
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>
To really find out about the Argyllshire Maclachlans I think you'd have to
take a lot of DNA swabs to Argyllshire and test 100 of them.
>


I sometimes get the irrational urge to up sticks and move to Argyllshire
where I would force the locals at gunpoint to have their DNA tested. I'm
sure you know the feeling.

Sandy



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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ???

In a message dated 10/7/2008 1:32:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
writes:

Question : Are the the McCrackens and Hagans/O'Hagans related to
O'Neills/O'Kanes?


The Hagans could be. There were several different O'Hogan septs linked to
the Cenel Eoghain, the tribe name of the O'Neills. One of them even
inaugurated the O'Neill chieftains at Tullahoge. it wouldn't have been a
close
relationship though, just a tribal one going back a long ways, depending on
which
O'Hogan sept it was.

If you have any questions about which septs are traditionally linked to the

O'Neills you can check this page on my web site:

_http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm_
(http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm)

MacLysaght has McCracken as a variant of the Scottish McNaughtan.

I have as much interest in solving this Anradan riddle as much as anyone.
The one thing we'd really like to do in our McLaughin DNA project is
identify
some kind of DNA for the Maclachlans of Argyllshire, Scotland. The main
issue facing McLaughins is am I Irish or Scottish? So many just don't
know. But
the DNA question is highly complicated.

William Buchanan of Auchmar, writing in 1723, described several different
groups of McLaughlins in Scotland still identifiable in his day - and some
of
them cannot be linked to the Maclachlans of Argyllshire except by
guesswork.
Even the Clan Maclachlan Society admits it isn't sure of some of the groups

of Scottish Maclachlans named by Buchanan. What I think we're seeing in
our
DNA project is a lot of different McLaughin origins in Scotland. In some
cases the DNA is so dissimilar I have to suspect the partaker phenomenon is
act
work where unrelated males routinely assumed the surname of the clan
chieftain.

We have some McLaughlins in our project who match others named McCloughan
(you can see these in our Leinster modal section). Evidently one surname
is a
corruption of the other - and most likely in this case McLaughlin is a
corruption of McCloughan which goes back to the Scottish MacClaggan or some
variant
form. That kind of thing happened all the time. Lesser known surnames were

corrupted into better known surnames. Of the two Maclachlan is the much
better known surname. Our DNA results also have several unrelated groups
of non
R1b1c7 McLaughlins some of whom say they are Scottish as well.. Plus a lot
that don't really match anyone else. Some are pretty close to the various
Scots modals on Ysearch.

To really find out about the Argyllshire Maclachlans I think you'd have to
take a lot of DNA swabs to Argyllshire and test 100 of them.


John









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