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From: "Sandy Paterson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ???
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:45:23 +0100
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Hi John

>
The O'Kanes were the next closest kin to the O'Neills in Ireland. They too

have lots of R1b1c7. But we see nothing in their DNA markers that shows
they
shared a descent from Nial with the O'Dohertys and McLaughlins. You would
think there would be something but so far we've found nothing.
>

Would you agree then that the DNA of Anradan-associated surnames should look
similar to
O Cathain DNA?


Sandy



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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ???

I did make up my mind long ago on the basis of historical documents. That
doesn't mean I can't re-evaluate the decision based on DNA evidence.
That's
why I continue to periodically troll the databases for possible Anradan
kindred matches.

<What sort of DNA pattern would you reasonably expect in a group of
haplotypes from Anradan descendants?
A broad answer will do.

That's an impossible question to answer except in the broadest terms:
R1b1c7 or something matching the other O'Neills.

What we are finding in R1b1c7 family clusters in Ireland are most related
families have a few individual markers distinct from most other R1b1c7.
The
McLaughlins of Donegal have a few; the O'Dohertys have a few; the
O'Gallaghers
have a few. But these are mostly just "family" markers that do nothing to
tie them together as a related tribe. So far we've found nothing that
shows
that the McLaughlins and O'Dohertys show a common descent from Nial, for
example. We do have a few Neill R1b1c7 samples that match up with some of
the
characteristic McLaughlin markers. But there aren't many of these and none

tested have the slightest idea where their ancestors came from. Based on
this I
can't even say they are Irish O'Neills or that the DNA matches are anything

more than coincidence.

I've got a lot of McLaughlin R1b1c7 DNA online if you want to check for
yourself. Or just go to the project at FTDNA. The McLaughlins of Donegal
are
clustered together at this site.

The O'Kanes were the next closest kin to the O'Neills in Ireland. They too

have lots of R1b1c7. But we see nothing in their DNA markers that shows
they
shared a descent from Nial with the O'Dohertys and McLaughlins. You would
think there would be something but so far we've found nothing.


John











In a message dated 10/5/2008 4:59:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
writes:

So it seems to me you've already made up your mind.





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