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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Questions ???
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:04:13 EDT
In a message dated 9/30/2008 9:28:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
writes:
The O'Neill one is a NPE -- Non Paternity Event. It is believed, though
these opinions change very frequently, the event occurred in the 1500s. There
well may be multiples. The descent of Hugh O'Neill is not exactly pristine. Many
believe he is the grandson of a blacksmith. His grandmother was married to
this man but claimed that the father of her son was O'Neill and managed to
convince others. Her ability to win a political argument has no bearing on the
correctness of her suppositions or the origin of the Y chromosome of her son.
There is no way she could have actually known who the father was (no access
to a DNA test), assuming she was sle!
eping w
ith more than one man. Apparently she was.
It has been suggested by various people that the O'Neill NPE involved the
infamous blacksmith named Kelly from Ulster. But there are some problems
associated with the possible date (1500s).
The non R1b1c7 O'Neills who form the largest related group (18) all are
closely related. 7 are exact matches at the 17 markers Trinity used; another 6
are one and two step derivatives with the rest as outlyers. Trinity itself
dated the TMRCA for this group to about 900 A.D. When you consider that there
are 30 O'Neill samples from Ulster in their database, and 8 of these are
R1b1c7, another 6 are some other R1b, two are I haplogroup and 1 R1a, does it
seem likely such a large proportion of the O'Neills in Ulster would be the
descendants of one man living in the 1500s, even if you was THE O"NEILL?
I don't know how large the O'Neill sept was in terms of members but it
must have been substantial and there were two large branches with completely
different territories in Tyrone and Antrim (Clannaboy). All the O'Neill DNA is
mixed up geographically in that the DNA elements that make up the surname
collection in Ulster are scattered in equal proportions in the traditional
territories ruled by the O'Neills.
O Ceallaigh (Gleanings from Ulster history) demonstrated years ago that the
O'Neill's history is somewhat "murky."
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John
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