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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] General Question from rookie
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:13:04 -0400
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Mitch,

I have a match with a Genetic Distance of 1 at 12-Markers in Syria, the guy
is R1b1b2 as well, and describes his ancestry as Arab.

I have 3 thoughts about this, in order of most likelihood:

1. There were many thousands of crusader knights in today's Israel, Lebanon
and Syria in the Middle Ages, so they probably left some descendants.

2. That some Roman legionnaires might have been recruited from Britain, and
stationed in the Levant and left descendants there.

3. That some of the Neolithic farmers spreading out of the Middle East may
have take a coastal migration route and settled in Ireland, and these
matches are all that remains of there ancestral population.

Cheers,
Paul







On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mitch <> wrote:

>
> Thanks for the help, David. The results in question are from my cousin on
> my mother's side. A male descendant of my mother's father. I'm R1b1b2e
> (R1b1c7) and I have enlisted a couple of my cousins who are direct
> descendants of my maternal grandfather and great grandfathers to be tested.
> Good idea?
>
> I guess I'm confused about the line "currently published", sounded like he
> might fit into a new category down the road that has yet to be created.
> Adding the "e" (M222) gives more of a focused location. R1b1b2 sounds much
> more general as far as area. Correct? I was also surprised because I
> thought R1b1b2 was European and this family has lived in Lebanon for
> generations and generations.
>
> Thanks again
> Mitch
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 6/12/08, David Ewing <> wrote:
>
> From: David Ewing <>
> Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] General Question from rookie
> To:
> Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 10:14 AM
>
> Hi, Mitch.
>
> It is not at all unusual to find someone in R1b1b2* that is "negative for
> all currently published mutations downstream of M269;" indeed, the number
> of
> folks in this group probably exceeds the total of all of those who are
> positive for any of the downstream SNPs. You don't need to wait or do more
> testing to "see where he fits:" this is where he fits. [Notice the
> asterisk--this means "M269+ and negative for all currently published
> mutations downstream of M269," whereas R1b1b2 without the asterisk just
> means "M269+".]
>
> I am not sure I understood what you were saying about "a different
> ancestor," though. It would be highly unusual for a known male-line
> relative
> of yours not to have the same SNP as you, and therefore to be in the same
> haplogroup. I don't think you are testing your ancestors--unless you are
> using a shovel to collect DNA, eh? Do you and this R1b1b2 fellow have a
> common ancestor in genealogical time? If so, then you have a truly
> surprising result, and probably a mistake somewhere. Most of us would say
> that the fact you are R1b1b2e and he is R1b1b2* means that your most recent
> common ancestor lived many thousands of years ago--a minimum of 1500 or so,
> but more likely at least several thousand, on the order of 10k. How do your
> STR panels compare? If these SNP results are accurate, I would guess that
> on
> the FTDNA 37-marker panel you would be at genetic distance 20, more or
> less.
> If you are only genetic distance 5 or so, the whole DNA community is going
> to be wanting to see your results and try to figure out what happened to
> the
> SNP.
>
> David Ewing
>
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