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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1b2e??
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:39:25 EDT
In a message dated 4/4/2008 1:42:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Other groups like the Laigin or the Erainn, where did the come from? Could
have been Armorica (todays Brittany), Gaul, Aquitaine, someplace in Iberia,
like Gallicia, or further afield, who knows??
I agree with that. Who knows where they did come from? Perhaps under the
influence of the Milesian legends, a lot of early British historians tried to
connect tribes in the south of Ireland with tribes mentioned in Spain by
"Of what extract these Iverni were, it is difficult to say. Their town was
Ivernis, or, as we would say, Inverness, upon the riber Iernus, now Kenmare.
To the East of them were the Vodii; to the northwest, the Luceni and
Velabri. Iver, or Inver, is not unfrequent in Scandinavain and German names of
places; but as no such people as Iverni can be found in Britain, Gaul, or Spain,
it is impossible to determine the origin of the Iverni. To the Luceni and
Velabri, on the West of them, familiar names are found on the North of Spain:
the Luceni, or Lucenses, of Lucus, now Lugo in Gallicia (Plin. III. 3.). and
the Velienses, of Biscay (ib.). The Auteri of Ireland approximate to the
Autrigones of Biscay (ib.). The Gangani of Ireland, Camden and Ware derive from
the Concani in Spain. There were also Caucenses in present Leon of Spain,
as there were Cauci in Ireland; but the Caucenses were but the inhabitants of
Cauca, a small inland town; so that they are as much out of the question, as
the Caucones of Pontus."
2. Where Ireland lieth out most Westward, and trending toward the
Cantabrian Ocean looketh afarre off Southwest, with a large inter-space to
Gallitia in Spaine, there inhabited in old time the Velabri and Luceni, as
Orosius writeth. The Luceni of Ireland (who may seeme to have had their name and
beginning from the Lucensii of Gallitia in the opposite coast of Spaine, and
of whose name some reliques still remain in the Baronie of Lyxnaw) were
seated, as I suppose, in the Countie of Kerry, and in Conoglogh hard by upon the
banke of the river Shanon.
Orosius (385-420 AD)
"There in Gallaecia is the city of Brigantia, which raised its
towering lighthouse, one of the few notable structures in the
world, toward the watchtower of Britain."
"It's nearby coasts, which border on the Cantabrian Ocean,
look out over the broad expanse in a southwesterly direction
toward far-off Brigantia, a city of Gallaecia, which lies
opposite to it and which faces to the northwest. This city
is most clearly visible from that promontory where the mouth
of the Scena River is found and where the Valabri and the
Luceni are settled."
It was almost impossible for early writers not to connect the Brigantia in
Spain of Orosius with the Brigantes of Leinster. Or with the Brigantes of
Gallaecia in Spain (Betanzos), even though tribes of the same name appear in
both England and Scotland.
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