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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Interesting developments -- new SNP S116
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:37:06 EDT

I had to refresh my memory on R1b1c haplogroups. I imagine others might
find it confusing as well. But the latest haplogroup tree on Ethnoancestry
lists the following from M269 (R1b1c) and the sub-clades downstream of M269. I
presume the new S116 SNP will cover everything downstream of M269.

It'll be interesting to see how these groups fall out with the new SNP.
What David is talking about is R1b1c7 and R1b1c10 in one group; R1b1c9 in
another. And no one knows into which group the rest will fall yet. Of these,
R1b1c9 comprises 25% of R1b1c1. R1b1c10 is just under 10%. No figures are
given for R1b1c7. Geographical locales range from Italy (P66), Spain, England,
Ireland, Scotland, Norway, Germany, Wales, Greece, Switzerland, France,
Poland, and the Netherlands. All over Europe really.

M269 R1b1c
M37 R1b1c1
M65 R1b1c2
M126 R1b1c3
M153 R1b1c4
M160 R1b1c5
M167 R1b1c6
M222 R1b1c7
P66 R1b1c8
S21 (and subclades S26, S29) R1b1c9
S28 R1b1c10

>From the Ethnoancestry site:

The SNPs EthnoAncestry have developed plus the earlier ones discovered at
Stanford help parse perhaps 60% of R1b1c (defined by M269) into one of several
subgroups- each having their own common ancestor who in turn was a descendant
of the man to have the M269 mutation.

M37, M65, M126 and M160 are rare markers which were discovered in Australia,
Spain and Europeans, respectively.
M153 originated in Spain and is observed among Latinos in the New World.
SRY2627 (M167) also arose in Spain and is also observed in SW England and
Ireland at very low frequencies.
M222 has recently been shown by EthnoAncestry to mark the "Irish" subgroup
of R1b, characterizing the series of Irish surnames associated with the Ui
Neill lineage of Northwest Ireland (descendants of Niall of the Nine Hostages)
and deeper relatives, including a significant proportion of people in the West
of Scotland, via the Dalriadic migration.
P66 was detected in a sample from Italy. It has only been observed once to
date, although this marker has been tested much less often than the others.
S21, is very common, approximately 25% of M269-carrying Western European
males are in this group. The marker has been observed in males from many parts
of Europe: Norway, Italy, Germany, England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
Around 40% of men in Northern Holland carry the marker! S21 defines a subgroup in
which there are two additional informative SNPs, S26 and S29 (see map popup).
The “Frisian” group of R1b is S21+, as are many other subgroups.
S26 is the SNP in the primer binding site responsible for the null allele at
DYS439 which was first recognised by Leo Little. It is a subgroup of the S21
group and appears to have a concentration in England.
S29 is also a subgroup of S21 and has so far only been seen in England,
correlations with STR haplotypes indicate that this is likely a pre-Anglo-Saxon
British type.
S28 is the second most common subtype of R1b. Just under 10% of the
M269-carrying Western European males are in this group. It has been observed in
Greece, Italy, Switzerland, Germany, France, Poland, Norway and the Netherlands.
It is also present in Scotland, Wales and England.

John



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