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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Interesting developments -- new SNP S116
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:31:58 EDT
In a message dated 3/23/2008 9:45:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:
I want to make it clear for those who don't closely follow developments in
the complex branching structure of the Y-DNA tree that this SNP does NOT say
that R1b1c7 is part of R1b1c10, or vice versa. It appears that this SNP will
divide what we now think of as the huge R1b1c haplogroup into two large
though probably unequal divisions, with some known subhaplogroups going with
the new branch and other haplogroups (R1b1c9, for example) staying in the
ancestral branch. Branch names will change dramatically.
David, I'm trying to get a handle on what both you and Ethnoancestry are
saying. I think you're saying the same thing but in different ways.
Ethnoancestry
"However, it appears that the M222 and S28 groups are united in a
> > new subgroup of R1b, while the S21 group is not within this clade
> > defined by S116. "
Doesn't this mean that there must have been a split between M222 and S28 at
some time in the past? Or at least that both evolved from some common
source? And S21 or R1b1c9 is in the second large group of R1b you refer to. I
find it interesting that both M222+ and S28 are associated with Celtic
populations while S21 seems to be Frisian.
<I don't think it will point to a
specific region of Europe as a point of origin, but it may have the power to
exclude some models of cultural origin (Iberia, to use a provocative
example). We'll just have to wait and see.
That would take the wind out of the sails of a lot of King Milesius
enthusiasts.
John
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