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From: "Gary & Ann Blakely" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 or not R1b1c7?
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:42:31 -0500
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John,
I have a Cannon member who is 11-12 at DYS385 but is modal on the rest of
the 12 markers that he has. He is tested M222+

Your Fleury FXS2J appears to be off at 385b, 449 & 464 which may not be that
bad if we are looking at 2000+ years. Also FTDNA may have other customers
with those STR values that tested M222+

Gary Blakely

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Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 or not R1b1c7?

I just ran across a sample that appears to be R1b1c7 and is labeled as such

by FTDNA. But it does have some off modal values, especially in the first
25
markers.

The DNA is for a family named Fleury (FXS2J). Origins for this family are
unknown except they know they came from Ireland ca. 1850 and have been told

the surname is of French Huguenot origin from about 1700 A.D in Ireland
(France
to England to Ireland). That much I was able to confirm. McLysaght and
Woulfe state Fleury is a variant of the Irish Furey or Fury but I find this

doubtful. The Huguenot Fleury family is well known in Ireland and there
are only
a handful of them in the Griffith's Valuations. The surname Fleury came
from a town in France.

25 markers

13-25-14-11-11-14-12-12-12-13-14-29-17-9-10-11-11-25-15-18-31-14-15-17-17

No they haven't had an SNP test done. I might suggest it if anyone
questions this DNA.

Curiously, I have about 11 samples of DNA listing an origin in France from
various sources. Of these six also have 11-14 at DYS 385ab. In fact it's
the
modal for the group. I'm not sure all of these are R1b1c7 either but all
have 14-29. I was surprised to see so many 11-14s pop up in this small
group
of surnames from France since it's a fairly unusual value for R1b1c7. The

modal for this group at DYS 464abcd is 15-15-16-17 which is unusual as
well.

The samples I have are:

E6FQH Marian, James, about 1730, in France
FW46N Fournier Marans, Charante-Martin, France
SMGF Thevenin France
3A5MS Le Compte Rouen), France
German Proj.(FTDNA) Hebert Normandy, France
N11373 Cloutier FRENCH HERITAGE Y-DNA PROJECT
N25863 Bodrie FRENCH HERITAGE Y-DNA PROJECT
N33005 Bertrand FRENCH HERITAGE Y-DNA PROJECT
6JJRE Fortineux Otterberg, Germany, France
FWX3R Schneider Montbronn, France
FXS2J Fleury Ireland

Three of these came from the French Heritage Project at FTDNA. One from
the
Sorenson site. One from the German project at FTDNA. The rest are from
Ysearch.

Any opinions on the DNA?


John






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