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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Scots in Poland
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:41:03 -0400
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Hi Linda
This is good stuff, I'll need to leave?a more detail look?until the weekend.
Alan
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Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] Scots in Poland
Hi folks,
Here's a webpage with detailed info on Scottish migration to Poland:
http://www.scotland.org/about/history-tradition-and-roots/features/culture/1576.html
It confirms
"Records from 1592 reveal Scots settlers being granted citizenship of Krakow
giving their employment as trader or merchant. Payment for being granted
citizenship ranged from 12 Polish florins to a musket and gunpowder or an
undertaking to marry within a year and a day of acquiring a holding.
By the 1600s there were an estimated 30,000 Scots living in Poland"
It includes links:
Papers Relating to the Scots in Poland (1576 - 1798), part I
Papers Relating to the Scots in Poland (1576 - 1798), Part II
Papers Relating to the Scots in Poland (1576 - 1798), Part III
Royal Grants and Privileges to the Scots Merchants (1)
Royal Grants and Privileges to the Scots Merchants (2)
Royal Grants and Privileges to the Scots Merchants (3)
Miscellaneous Extracts relating to Scots in Poland (1)
Scots admitted to the citizenship of Cracow
These are not links to the papers but to articles on Electric Scotland.
Here is another link to a war beween Sweden and Denmark in the early 1600s where
the Danes used Scottish mercinaries:
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/military/17cen/sweddan16111613.html
Here's another google preview to a book on Scotland and the Thirty Years' War,
1618-
http://books.google.com/books?id=sgvQTjkugo0C&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=swedish+scottish+wars&source=web&ots=KIC8WP-b3v&sig=qUfxEVBYJqzbx7EtsRmaRSgWpcM&hl=en
It starts "The exodus of tens of thousands of Scots to fight in continental
Europe in the first half of the seventeenth century has long attrcted the
interests of historians." Apparently 50,000 Scots fought there from 1618 to 1640
alone. Yet even at this time continental service for Scots was nothing new.
This book says that Irish were not preferred by the Swedes because they were
Catholic. This was the era of the religious wars. See page 146 in this book.
It does show that there were no Irish regiments under the Swedes but
Hiberno-Spanish regiments serving in the Spanish Netherlands (1632-46) under
Owen Roe O'Neill and Thomas Preston. A fast check of this book seems to confirm
what older historians have said: the Irish soldiers sent off from Derry in the
early 1600s to Sweden defected to the Spanish side. I can't imagine why they
would not. This would probably mean the R1b1c7 in Europe would be found in what
was the Spanish Netherlands rather than Sweden and Poland -- !
areas w
here you would more likely find Scottish Celts.
This looks like a good book, but $115 is a little too steep!!
Linda Merle
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