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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA - Pat Conroy
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:33:54 -0400
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Hi Linda
I was recently corresponding with some people who descend from the Edgar family, which gave cause to look up the Scottish Wills Index and it was interesting to note that at least two wills were registered in Scotland from Edgars who?died in Poland in the early 1600s. The period you mention for migration, who fit the dates the two men in question moved to Poland. I run a One Name Study, and I have a feeling that some of the Amuligane families from Galloway, who I thought settled in Ireland probably settled in Europe and possibly Poland. It is a whole new piece of research that I nowhere near even thinking about how I go about starting. If anything at this stage, I will probably look at Germany.
Cheers
Alan
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Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA - Pat Conroy
Alan, Many Polish people descend from lowland Scots families who were invited to
move to Poland in the middle ages. Poland needed a middle class -- people with
skills. The king invited them. The first inkling of this I found in a book on
Polish genealogy. It explained why in my hours of viewing Scottish parish
records, I saw the occasional polish first name.
This was before the counter reformation and the European wars. Much of Poland
was briefly Protestant.
See http://books.google.com/books?id=y0maSM-tlHYC&pg=RA1-PA68&lpg=RA1-PA68&dq=poland+scottish+immigration&source=web&ots=lPCXVgfwF-&sig=NFoQG8iHcSvDvPwra7QzkPqu2HI&hl=en
This is a preview of the book Polish Roots =: Korzenie Polskie By Rosemary A.
Chorzempa
she dates the early Scots migration from the end of the 14th century with a peak
from 1580 to 1610 due to crop failures and famine in Scotland in the 1570s and
90s. According to her both Calvinists and Catholics left (due to the famine)
from northeaster and eastern Scotland. I haven't seen this book before.....
Here's some additional information that details additional migrations:
http://www.polishforums.com/scottish_immigrants_poland-31_18769_0.html
There should be LOTS of Celtic DNA in Poland, but most of it should not be Irish
R1b1c7 but lowland Scots. I would suspect the R1b1c7 would largely have arrived
later than Medieval times brought by soldiers in the Hundred Years, Thirty
Years, and later wars. The "Wild Geese" as the Irish think of them, are the tip
of the iceberg of Irishmen who soldiered in Europe.
After the end of O'Neill's War in Ulster, King James rounded up as many Irish
soldiers as he could and shipped them off to Sweden (fighting a religous war
with, among others, the Poles). It is believed most defected to the Catholic
side. There are eye witness accounts of them leaving from Derry so there's
little doubt it was done.
However I suspect fewer of these men survived to produce offspring than did
merchants and traders arriving a few hundred years earlier. According to the
'early bird' theory, their DNA footprint should still predominate, just because
they arrived earlier.
Linda Merle
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:28:24 EDT
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Hi Paul, thanks for replying. I wonder how many Polish people who are
emigrating to Britain and Ireland today descend from ancestors who emigrated to
Poland? The old gene pool is really being diluted. Several years ago, I was
studying a Milliken family who emigrated from Germany to America! Guess where
they came from before emigrating to Germany?
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