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Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA - Pat Conroy
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:43:40 +0000
Alan, Many Polish people descend from lowland Scots families who were invited to move to Poland in the middle ages. Poland needed a middle class -- people with skills. The king invited them. The first inkling of this I found in a book on Polish genealogy. It explained why in my hours of viewing Scottish parish records, I saw the occasional polish first name.
This was before the counter reformation and the European wars. Much of Poland was briefly Protestant.
See http://books.google.com/books?id=y0maSM-tlHYC&pg=RA1-PA68&lpg=RA1-PA68&dq=poland+scottish+immigration&source=web&ots=lPCXVgfwF-&sig=NFoQG8iHcSvDvPwra7QzkPqu2HI&hl=en
This is a preview of the book Polish Roots =: Korzenie Polskie By Rosemary A. Chorzempa
she dates the early Scots migration from the end of the 14th century with a peak from 1580 to 1610 due to crop failures and famine in Scotland in the 1570s and 90s. According to her both Calvinists and Catholics left (due to the famine) from northeaster and eastern Scotland. I haven't seen this book before.....
Here's some additional information that details additional migrations:
http://www.polishforums.com/scottish_immigrants_poland-31_18769_0.html
There should be LOTS of Celtic DNA in Poland, but most of it should not be Irish R1b1c7 but lowland Scots. I would suspect the R1b1c7 would largely have arrived later than Medieval times brought by soldiers in the Hundred Years, Thirty Years, and later wars. The "Wild Geese" as the Irish think of them, are the tip of the iceberg of Irishmen who soldiered in Europe.
After the end of O'Neill's War in Ulster, King James rounded up as many Irish soldiers as he could and shipped them off to Sweden (fighting a religous war with, among others, the Poles). It is believed most defected to the Catholic side. There are eye witness accounts of them leaving from Derry so there's little doubt it was done.
However I suspect fewer of these men survived to produce offspring than did merchants and traders arriving a few hundred years earlier. According to the 'early bird' theory, their DNA footprint should still predominate, just because they arrived earlier.
Linda Merle
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:28:24 EDT
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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA - Pat Conroy
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Hi Paul, thanks for replying. I wonder how many Polish people who are
emigrating to Britain and Ireland today descend from ancestors who emigrated to
Poland? The old gene pool is really being diluted. Several years ago, I was
studying a Milliken family who emigrated from Germany to America! Guess where
they came from before emigrating to Germany?
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