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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA - Pat Conroy
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:28:24 EDT



Hi Paul, thanks for replying. I wonder how many Polish people who are
emigrating to Britain and Ireland today descend from ancestors who emigrated to
Poland? The old gene pool is really being diluted. Several years ago, I was
studying a Milliken family who emigrated from Germany to America! Guess where
they came from before emigrating to Germany?

I appreciate your help. I really want to solve the problem identified below.
Here is the first passage taken from the Book of Ballymote, can you
translate this section:

"Muinter Muiregen & Muinter Maelchein a Cenel Fiachach m. Neill isedh fodera
as cailedh sechnon fer Midhi foro cruthsin fodaigh comad leo aireacus gach
tuaithi & a forlamus do ghres."

The second passage is found in the MacFirbis's Genealogy online:

_http://www.isos.dias.ie/english/index.htm_
(http://www.isos.dias.ie/english/index.htm)

Under Collections, click for University College Dublin, then click:


_Additional Irish MS 14_
(http://www.isos.dias.ie/libraries/UCD/UCD_MS_14/english/index.html)


Your looking for page 161, 1st column, 3rd paragraph.

The passage in question begins with "Diarmad mac Fergusa cerrbaill, then
the name Mael chein appears 9 lines down with the same strange reference to
Cenel Fiachach mac Neill. Can you translate this passage to make a comparison
between it and the Book of Ballymote.

I would like to confirm if the Muniter Maelchein were simply living in the
Cenel Fiachach territory or does the passage actual state they belonged to this
clan?

Many thanks

Alan




In a message dated 06/03/2008 20:53:49 GMT Standard Time,
writes:

Alan,

I'll take a shot at translating whatever you got - do you have a URL or some
such?

Also, interesting in lieu of the "Wild Geese" who left Ireland and went to
the European continent - especially the Rork (O'Rourkes) family of Russia
(Belarus) - my first wife was the granddaughter of Polish nobility from
Lvov/Lwow/Lviyv/Lemberg in that was formerly Poland, then Austria, then
Russia and now Ukraine. Her grandfather's lastname was "Omellan" - she
herself could pass for Irish. I wonder if this is a far flung cousin of the
Mulligans??

Cheers,
PAUL Conroy









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