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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA - Pat Conroy
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:52:22 -0500
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Alan,

I'll take a shot at translating whatever you got - do you have a URL or some
such?

Also, interesting in lieu of the "Wild Geese" who left Ireland and went to
the European continent - especially the Rork (O'Rourkes) family of Russia
(Belarus) - my first wife was the granddaughter of Polish nobility from
Lvov/Lwow/Lviyv/Lemberg in that was formerly Poland, then Austria, then
Russia and now Ukraine. Her grandfather's lastname was "Omellan" - she
herself could pass for Irish. I wonder if this is a far flung cousin of the
Mulligans??

Cheers,
PAUL Conroy

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:34 PM, <> wrote:

>
> Hi Pat
>
> You may have read some emails exchanged between John and myself regarding
> a
> piece research I am interested in on a Mulligan family who came from
> Westmeath. I have already done a good deal of reseach in Dublin on the
> Mulligans of
> Mid Ireland and Leinster. I posted some of the data on the following
> webpage,
> which needs developed. Finding the time is ever my problem.
>
> _The Septs of O'Mulligan_
> (
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alanmilliken/Research/IrishRecords/Miscellaneous/UiMaelagain.html<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ealanmilliken/Research/IrishRecords/Miscellaneous/UiMaelagain.html>;
> )
>
> The Mulligan DNA is taken from a man who descends from John Mullegan of
> Clonmellon. His DNA points to R1b1c7, but the genealogy is less clear. It
> has the
> potential to be from the Ui Fiachach or Ui Failge. Have you come across a
> specific DNA pattern for the Ui Failge tribe, which descend from Cathair
> Mor
> and his son Rosa Failgi? Also, can you read Old Irish? There are at least
> two
> passage, which I would like check from the Book of Lecan and Dugald
> MacFirbus's genealogies. I would really like to clear the genealogical
> uncertainties of
> this puzzle.
>
> Alan Milliken
>
> In a message dated 24/02/2008 00:13:05 GMT Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> In a message dated 2/23/2008 5:34:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> Below are the results for the Mulligan of Westmeath. The results appear
> to
> share key elements of the R1b1c7 haplogroup. Though, it has the value of
> 13
>
> rather than 12 at DYS388. This could be a more recent random mutation.
> If
> the
> MacFirbis reference to the 'Muinter Mailchen in Cineul Fiachaidh in
> Kineleagh,
> County Westmeath' is correct, are there comparable DNA samples with the
> Ui
> Failge. I understand the O'Connors were chiefs of the Clan? Are you
> aware
> of
> any research on this Clan?
>
> Your DNA sample looks R1b1c7 to me. O'Connor Offaly was the chieftain
> of
> the clan. I have one DNA sample for an O'Connor from Kerry Co. But
> that
> might
> be for O'Connor Kerry, different stock entirely. The O'Connor Failge
> pedigree goes back to Cathaoir Mor, an ancestor of the Lagin in
> Leinster.
> It
> shouldn't be R1b1c7. But I think Pat Conroy of this list is also R1b1c7
> and from
> Offaly and looking at connections with O Dunne of Offaly. So who knows
> at
> this point?
>
> (col. b). GENELACH UI CONCHOBAIR FAILGHE
>
> 1767 Cathaeir m Cuind m an Chalbaigh m Murchada m Muircertaigh oig m
> Muircertaigh na cairrge m Muircertaigh atha cliath m Muircertaigh cille
> caindigh m
> Maoil mhordha m Muircertaigh m Donnchada m Con fhaifne m Muircertaigh rn
> Congalaigh m Duinn Slebhe m Brogarbhain m Concobair m Congalaigh m
> Conchobair m
> Finn m Mail mordha m Concobhair m Flannagain m Cionaedha Muirigen m
> Mugroin
> (col. c) m Aengusa m Floinn da congal m Diomusaigh m Congalaigh m
> Forannain
> m
> Mail uma m Cathaoir m Eogain bruighnigh m Nathi m Rosa failgigh m
> Cathaoir
> Moir.
>
>
> This is the section on the Offaly clans from the Topographical Poems.
>
> The O'Brogarbhains371 of townlands,
> The Clann Chionaoith,372 the Clann Conchbhair,373
> They spend their lands on knowledge,
> The O'Duinns374 and the O'Diomasaighs.375
>
> O'Conor, O'Dunn, O'Dempsey
>
> Of the chiefs of the fair-bright land,
> Are the O'Aenghusas,376 the O'Aimergins,377
> Loud sounding their proclamations and their famous troops,
> And the majestic Clann-Murchadhain.378
>
> Hennessy, Bergin or Megin, Moran
>
> O'Ciardha over Cairbre379 of poets
> Of the tribes of Nine-hostaged Niall;
> There are but themselves over to the east,
> Of the clanns of Niall in Leinster.
>
> Keary, Carey
>
> For this one O'Donovan refers to the Ui Fiacrach of Connacht,
> p. 276, 277. As a Connachta clan these should be R1b1c7. His
> notes here state that O'Ciardha were the only descendants of Nial
> seated in the southern moiety of Leinster. MacFirbis mistakenly
> placed them in Connacht instead.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
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