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From: "Marie Kerr" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:27:21 -0500
In-Reply-To: <cdb.275a6a0c.34e8e206@aol.com>


Thanks, John, this gives me a start. I know my grandfather went back to
Rathlacken in 1960 to sign over his share in a piece of land to one of his
brothers or cousins. Perhaps I can find that transaction and go backward
from there. Do you have any idea how I could search such a transaction?

Thanks,
Marie

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In a message dated 2/16/2008 6:33:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:
Hi John,

Well, I'd certainly like to see the name Golden as well as McGoldrick in
County Mayo. They're variants of a Gaelic name, in a Gaelic-speaking
county,
so perhaps these names didn't even exist then. My father's parents, James
Golden and Annie Golden Golden (yes, the same name) were born in Mayo.
They
were children in the 1910 census.

Can you find (or help me find) them?

Unfortunately the 1659 census returns are missing for Co. Mayo. There are
only a few Connacht counties available - Roscommon and Sligo. I don't see
your surnames in either of those counties.

Here's a list of what's missing from the census.

No Returns for Cavan, Galway, Mayo, Tryone and Wicklow
Cork County [incomplete, missing 4 baronies
Meath County [incomplete, missing 9 baronies]

There are a couple of records which might help for that time period, if
available.

1665 Hearth Money Rolls
Irish Patent Rolls of James I (c. 1609)

The Irish Patent Rolls of James I are a huge, oversized volume containing
land grants, pardon lists, inquisitions, etc. No index at all. To use the

book you have to go page by page and scan it yourself. What I noticed in
going
through the book were a huge number of land grants (and pardon lists) for
various Connacht counties. Here's an example:

Patent Rolls of King James I
Land Grants

Pat. 19 XII-56

"To Owen McLaughlin - Leitrim County - Talteene,
11 acres pasture and 10 acres bog and wood;
Umroagh, 61 acres pasture and 15 acres bog and
wood; Teneclevane and Meneneagh, Dargvone,
Agherym and Cooleregreene, 8 acres pasture and 14
acres bog and wood, barony of Drumahare ...."

Pat. 19 XLV-39

"To Donogh McLaughlin, gent. - Leitrim Co. - 10
acres arable and 52 acres wood and bog, in
Conregillagh adjoining Derrenekeher;
Derrenekeher, parcel of Glaudagull, 60 acres
arable and 312 acres bog and wood - to hold by
fealty, in free and common socage....."


These men weren't important chieftains or Kings of territories. In the
north, under the Plantation scheme, very few native Irish received land
grants
and nearly all were the dominant chieftains in the region. In Connacht a
huge
number of more ordinary Irish natives received small land grants. You
might
be able to use these or the Hearth Money Rolls (if they exist for Mayo) to
establish the surname and location as of 1600 A.D.

In the same book you'll also find lots of pardon lists issued after some
rebellion.

Pardon List of 1609
Patent Rolls of King James I


XXIV-16 "Donnell McLaghlin, yeoman, Co. Sligo"

If you'd like to look around library catalogues for this book this is how
it's listed in the Washington University library. A good university
library
might have a copy. Your local library will not.

Great Britain. Commissioners on the Public Records of Ireland
Title Irish patent rolls of James I; facsimile of the Irish Record
Commission's calendar prepared prior to 1830. Foreword by M. C. Griffith
Published Dublin, Stationery Off. for the Irish Manuscripts Commission,
1966
Description 596, 393-397 p. 45 cm

Another source you might want to try are John O'Donovan's Ordnance Survey
Letters from Mayo. I know these exist. He went about the countryside
cataloguing antiquities for the Irish government in the early 1800s and his
letters
are full of local surnames and history.


John




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