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From: "Richard B. Hare" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:54:13 -0500
In-Reply-To: <000001c8716c$f62f97e0$0301a8c0@Packard>


If anyone is interested in this Hare/Hair discussion...
I just mounted our Hare family tree with my DNA in Y-Search. My code is
GF2KZ. Hope it's useful to somebody.
Dick Hare

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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA

Dear Dan;
Thank you for your knowledgeable contribution. You have furnished a lot of
valuable information, and sources for our further investigations.
Best Regards,
Dick Hare

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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA


John, There were O' Hare /O"Heir/O'Haire/O'Hara families, and still are
in the Derrynoose Parish[ Keady and Tynan] area of Armagh very early .They
could be descended from the Lord Coleraine [ Hugh Hare ] lines from Stow
Bardoff ,Norfolk , England , first in Ireland 1625 . Ambrose O'Hara was a
local cleric during the Penal Law Times at Lagan , Keady . . I saw a few
Hare headstones at the Derrynoose Church of St. Mochua last Sept.

There were also O'Neill families there in similar and earlier times .

The area originally settled in Celtic times The original Keady church is
near the Holy Well of St. Mochua Only a part of one wall remains . There
was a circular cemetery around the church , which has some legible stones
but most are sunken in and covered . Founded about 1622 by Mocua Mac
Lonain , who,is believed to be buried in the cemetery . I took some good
photos , when there in Sept. 2007 . This area had Scotch settlers , but
most were of very ancient Irish origins . The Ulster History Foundation may
be able to help the person inquiring . The church registers don't go back
quite that far[ about 1830 ] , and the early years are almost impossible to
read . John Makim , nephew of late Tommy Makim , is a teacher at the high
school and a local historian . The family has been in the area many
generations . John has posted some history on the internet . It is a small
townland with a varied and colorful history and I bet even more interesting
Y-DNA , pattern . !
Might make a good sub project at Ireland Heritage site . My wifes
McAdam family does not match the Scottish MacAdams or Gregors and is from
Derrynoose .

They are R1b1c tested . #B5QHA at Y-search . Dan Jenkins > From:
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:49:50 -0500> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA> >
In a message dated 2/16/2008 6:38:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, >
writes:> Hi John;> Would you help us find
potential family geographic locations? Our ancestor,> William Hare/Hair,
immmigrated to the US from Ireland in Nov.1718. He was> "a farmer". That's
all we know, and all that is in records on this side of> the pond. > > This
has been a blind alley for us for 30 years, so anything you might be> able
to do is greatly appreciated by a lot of R1B1C7 Hares.> > > McLysaght gives
dual origins for the surname Hare. One is a native Irish > surname, O'Hare
(O hIr, O hEir) which he places in Armagh. There are 12 O'Hare > DNA samples
in the Trinity College study. Most of these look like they could > be
R1b1c7. Most are just listed as "Ulster."> > Just t!
o make things confusing he refers to MacGarry and says this surname > (Mac
Fhearadaigh, properly MacGarry) has been corrupted into O'Garigga and >
mistranslated into Hare. This he also places in Oriel (Airgialla country),
the > same territory as Armagh.> > He also mentions that Hare is an English
name.> > The Hare surname appears once in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for
Donegal. > This isn't a native Donegal surname. Probably plantation
Scottish.> > Conwall Parish - Donegal> > James Hare of Salregreane > > It
also appears in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for Co. Antrim.> > Gilchrist
McHaire Cary Armoy Carrowlaverty > Kellylawerty> Gilcollan McHier Cary Billy
Moycraig Macallister Moycreagh > McLester> James Hayre Dunluce Upper
Ballymoney Ballymoney Town Ballymoney > Towne> > There are a lot of Scottish
surnames in 1659 in the Barony of Cary and > Dunluce in Antrim. I don't see
Hare in the list though.> > Barony of Dunluce Carry and Kilconrie> >
McAlester, 30; McAula, 09; Bryan,!
06; Browne, 16; O Boyle, 11; McBryd, 06; > Black, 10; Boyd & O Boyd,
20; Conoghye, 19; McConnell, 16; McCormick, 27; > McCollum, 13; McCampbell
&c., 36; McCahan &c., 10; McCooke, 10; McCurdy, 34; O > Conogher, 08;
McCurry, 12; McKay or McCay, 37; McCaw, 09; McDonell &c., 10; > McDowgall,
06; McGoune, 15; McGilaspie, 08; McGillon, 13; McGloughlen, 13; > McHenry
&c., 20; McIlchrist, 10; McIlimchell, 07; McGee, 08; McIlroill, 07; McIlan >
&c., 09; McKeghan, 15; Kelly, 13; Kenedy, 18; McKinlay, 13; Killpatrick, 08;
> Loggan, 10; O Lovertie, 07; Lin & Line, 07; Martin, 08; Murry, 08; Moore,
> 31; Murphy, 20; Millan & Mullin, 55; McMichell, 11; Mullegan, 07; Miller,
16; O > Money, 08; M'Naughten, 10; McNeill, 49; & Steill, 12; Smyth &
McSmyth, 27; > Stuart & McStuart, 60; McTayler, 06; McTayer, 06.> > Antrim,
or part of it, was held by a branch of the MacDonalds of Scotland. > Some of
these Scottish names had been settled in Antrim long enough by the > time of
the 1659 census to be considered native Irish. McAlister, McBride, >
McCampbell, McCahan,!
McDougal, McKinlay, M'Naughten, McNeill. Most of these > seem Scottish in
origin.> > My own guess if your family came to the U.S. that early (1718)
they would be > Scottish and not native Irish. Who knows what O'Hare
families were picked > up in the Trinity study? They standardized the
spellings. Some of the > O'Hares listed might be just Hares.> > By 1825
(Tithe Applotment Books) the Hare surname was spread across any > number of
Ulster counties, mostly in Down, Antrim, Armagh with a few in Tyrone > and
Fermanagh (The Tithe Applot. CD just covers the Ulster counties minus >
Donegal though).> > That's all I have in terms of Irish records. Most of the
Hearth Money > Rolls either don't exist for certain counties (such as Down)
or aren't easily > available on the internet.> > > > > John> > > > > > > > >
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