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From: Daniel Jenkins <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:33:34 +0000
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John, There were O' Hare /O"Heir/O'Haire/O'Hara families, and still are in the Derrynoose Parish[ Keady and Tynan] area of Armagh very early .They could be descended from the Lord Coleraine [ Hugh Hare ] lines from Stow Bardoff ,Norfolk , England , first in Ireland 1625 . Ambrose O'Hara was a local cleric during the Penal Law Times at Lagan , Keady . . I saw a few Hare headstones at the Derrynoose Church of St. Mochua last Sept.

There were also O'Neill families there in similar and earlier times .

The area originally settled in Celtic times The original Keady church is near the Holy Well of St. Mochua Only a part of one wall remains . There was a circular cemetery around the church , which has some legible stones but most are sunken in and covered . Founded about 1622 by Mocua Mac Lonain , who,is believed to be buried in the cemetery . I took some good photos , when there in Sept. 2007 . This area had Scotch settlers , but most were of very ancient Irish origins . The Ulster History Foundation may be able to help the person inquiring . The church registers don't go back quite that far[ about 1830 ] , and the early years are almost impossible to read . John Makim , nephew of late Tommy Makim , is a teacher at the high school and a local historian . The family has been in the area many generations . John has posted some history on the internet . It is a small townland with a varied and colorful history and I bet even more interesting Y-DNA , pattern . Might make a good sub project at Ireland Heritage site . My wifes McAdam family does not match the Scottish MacAdams or Gregors and is from Derrynoose .

They are R1b1c tested . #B5QHA at Y-search . Dan Jenkins > From: > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:49:50 -0500> To: > Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA> > In a message dated 2/16/2008 6:38:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, > writes:> Hi John;> Would you help us find potential family geographic locations? Our ancestor,> William Hare/Hair, immmigrated to the US from Ireland in Nov.1718. He was> "a farmer". That's all we know, and all that is in records on this side of> the pond. > > This has been a blind alley for us for 30 years, so anything you might be> able to do is greatly appreciated by a lot of R1B1C7 Hares.> > > McLysaght gives dual origins for the surname Hare. One is a native Irish > surname, O'Hare (O hIr, O hEir) which he places in Armagh. There are 12 O'Hare > DNA samples in the Trinity College study. Most of these look like they could > be R1b1c7. Most are just listed as "Ulster."> > Just to make things confusing he refers to MacGarry and says this surname > (Mac Fhearadaigh, properly MacGarry) has been corrupted into O'Garigga and > mistranslated into Hare. This he also places in Oriel (Airgialla country), the > same territory as Armagh.> > He also mentions that Hare is an English name.> > The Hare surname appears once in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for Donegal. > This isn't a native Donegal surname. Probably plantation Scottish.> > Conwall Parish - Donegal> > James Hare of Salregreane > > It also appears in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for Co. Antrim.> > Gilchrist McHaire Cary Armoy Carrowlaverty > Kellylawerty> Gilcollan McHier Cary Billy Moycraig Macallister Moycreagh > McLester> James Hayre Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Ballymoney Town Ballymoney > Towne> > There are a lot of Scottish surnames in 1659 in the Barony of Cary and > Dunluce in Antrim. I don't see Hare in the list though.> > Barony of Dunluce Carry and Kilconrie> > McAlester, 30; McAula, 09; Bryan, 06; Browne, 16; O Boyle, 11; McBryd, 06; > Black, 10; Boyd & O Boyd, 20; Conoghye, 19; McConnell, 16; McCormick, 27; > McCollum, 13; McCampbell &c., 36; McCahan &c., 10; McCooke, 10; McCurdy, 34; O > Conogher, 08; McCurry, 12; McKay or McCay, 37; McCaw, 09; McDonell &c., 10; > McDowgall, 06; McGoune, 15; McGilaspie, 08; McGillon, 13; McGloughlen, 13; > McHenry &c., 20; McIlchrist, 10; McIlimchell, 07; McGee, 08; McIlroill, 07; McIlan > &c., 09; McKeghan, 15; Kelly, 13; Kenedy, 18; McKinlay, 13; Killpatrick, 08; > Loggan, 10; O Lovertie, 07; Lin & Line, 07; Martin, 08; Murry, 08; Moore, > 31; Murphy, 20; Millan & Mullin, 55; McMichell, 11; Mullegan, 07; Miller, 16; O > Money, 08; M'Naughten, 10; McNeill, 49; & Steill, 12; Smyth & McSmyth, 27; > Stuart & McStuart, 60; McTayler, 06; McTayer, 06.> > Antrim, or part of it, was held by a branch of the MacDonalds of Scotland. > Some of these Scottish names had been settled in Antrim long enough by the > time of the 1659 census to be considered native Irish. McAlister, McBride, > McCampbell, McCahan, McDougal, McKinlay, M'Naughten, McNeill. Most of these > seem Scottish in origin.> > My own guess if your family came to the U.S. that early (1718) they would be > Scottish and not native Irish. Who knows what O'Hare families were picked > up in the Trinity study? They standardized the spellings. Some of the > O'Hares listed might be just Hares.> > By 1825 (Tithe Applotment Books) the Hare surname was spread across any > number of Ulster counties, mostly in Down, Antrim, Armagh with a few in Tyrone > and Fermanagh (The Tithe Applot. CD just covers the Ulster counties minus > Donegal though).> > That's all I have in terms of Irish records. Most of the Hearth Money > Rolls either don't exist for certain counties (such as Down) or aren't easily > available on the internet.> > > > > John> > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/>; 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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