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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:49:50 EST

In a message dated 2/16/2008 6:38:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Hi John;
Would you help us find potential family geographic locations? Our ancestor,
William Hare/Hair, immmigrated to the US from Ireland in Nov.1718. He was
"a farmer". That's all we know, and all that is in records on this side of
the pond.

This has been a blind alley for us for 30 years, so anything you might be
able to do is greatly appreciated by a lot of R1B1C7 Hares.

McLysaght gives dual origins for the surname Hare. One is a native Irish
surname, O'Hare (O hIr, O hEir) which he places in Armagh. There are 12 O'Hare
DNA samples in the Trinity College study. Most of these look like they could
be R1b1c7. Most are just listed as "Ulster."

Just to make things confusing he refers to MacGarry and says this surname
(Mac Fhearadaigh, properly MacGarry) has been corrupted into O'Garigga and
mistranslated into Hare. This he also places in Oriel (Airgialla country), the
same territory as Armagh.

He also mentions that Hare is an English name.

The Hare surname appears once in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for Donegal.
This isn't a native Donegal surname. Probably plantation Scottish.

Conwall Parish - Donegal

James Hare of Salregreane

It also appears in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for Co. Antrim.

Gilchrist McHaire Cary Armoy Carrowlaverty
Gilcollan McHier Cary Billy Moycraig Macallister Moycreagh
James Hayre Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Ballymoney Town Ballymoney

There are a lot of Scottish surnames in 1659 in the Barony of Cary and
Dunluce in Antrim. I don't see Hare in the list though.

Barony of Dunluce Carry and Kilconrie

McAlester, 30; McAula, 09; Bryan, 06; Browne, 16; O Boyle, 11; McBryd, 06;
Black, 10; Boyd & O Boyd, 20; Conoghye, 19; McConnell, 16; McCormick, 27;
McCollum, 13; McCampbell &c., 36; McCahan &c., 10; McCooke, 10; McCurdy, 34; O
Conogher, 08; McCurry, 12; McKay or McCay, 37; McCaw, 09; McDonell &c., 10;
McDowgall, 06; McGoune, 15; McGilaspie, 08; McGillon, 13; McGloughlen, 13;
McHenry &c., 20; McIlchrist, 10; McIlimchell, 07; McGee, 08; McIlroill, 07; McIlan
&c., 09; McKeghan, 15; Kelly, 13; Kenedy, 18; McKinlay, 13; Killpatrick, 08;
Loggan, 10; O Lovertie, 07; Lin & Line, 07; Martin, 08; Murry, 08; Moore,
31; Murphy, 20; Millan & Mullin, 55; McMichell, 11; Mullegan, 07; Miller, 16; O
Money, 08; M'Naughten, 10; McNeill, 49; & Steill, 12; Smyth & McSmyth, 27;
Stuart & McStuart, 60; McTayler, 06; McTayer, 06.

Antrim, or part of it, was held by a branch of the MacDonalds of Scotland.
Some of these Scottish names had been settled in Antrim long enough by the
time of the 1659 census to be considered native Irish. McAlister, McBride,
McCampbell, McCahan, McDougal, McKinlay, M'Naughten, McNeill. Most of these
seem Scottish in origin.

My own guess if your family came to the U.S. that early (1718) they would be
Scottish and not native Irish. Who knows what O'Hare families were picked
up in the Trinity study? They standardized the spellings. Some of the
O'Hares listed might be just Hares.

By 1825 (Tithe Applotment Books) the Hare surname was spread across any
number of Ulster counties, mostly in Down, Antrim, Armagh with a few in Tyrone
and Fermanagh (The Tithe Applot. CD just covers the Ulster counties minus
Donegal though).

That's all I have in terms of Irish records. Most of the Hearth Money
Rolls either don't exist for certain counties (such as Down) or aren't easily
available on the internet.


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