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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:21:09 EST
In a message dated 2/11/2008 4:03:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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John
I had a look at it, but so far haven't been able to find the Clan
Maelchein.
If you find the page, can you let me know. Thanks
Allan - I can tell you about where to look for it in the manuscript. I
think the Cenel Cremthaine genealogies start on p. 161. This section follows the
Cenel Conaill pedigrees from p. 151. Prior to that you have the entire
group of Cenel Eoghain pedigrees starting on p. 114 with O'Neill then MacSweeney.
The Airgialla pedigrees begin on p. 305.
You should find that reference in a section similar to what appears in the
Book of Ballymote or O'Clery (Clan Cholman). I have no idea if MacFirbis
gives a fuller pedigree or not.
There's an index starting on p. 854 but I find this difficult to decipher.
What really screws me up trying to read these pedigrees is the handwritten
Irish script - plus all the abbreviations. It helps to have a copy of a
pedigree already translated into modern English script to figure out the names.
As I understand it, the handwritten Irish script used by Irish scribes is
not unique to Ireland. It was in fact the normal Roman script employed
throughout Europe. A few of the letter forms are not intuitive at all. They bear
little resemblance to modern script and are easily misread. Letters we see in
modern script such as bh are indicated by dots over consonants. If you can
learn to read Irish script accurately you can go from MacFirbis to Ballymote
and Rawlinson and Laud with no problems. The worst part are the abbreviated
names. I'm not sure how Irish scholars can confidently render these in
modern script. But they do.
i'm sure an expert in Irish could give a much better explanation for Irish
script than this. But that perhaps is beyond the scope of this list.
John
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