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From: "Donald Milligan" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:08:30 -0800
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Conroy" <> To: <> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA > John, > > You're right - Conraghty and Conratha must be one and the same people. > Therefore I need to research a little more... it's possible the date for > the > battle is wrong... > > Cheers, > Paul > > > On Feb 1, 2008 9:21 PM, <> wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 2/1/2008 9:48:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, >> writes: >> >> John, >> >> Yes, these would be the Roscommon Conroy's - sometimes written Conry. >> >> >> >> That's an interesting connection then, because the Ua Mael Conaires were >> Cenel Maine m. Neill. And like most of the Cenel Maine, their original >> territory should have been in Tethbha or Bregia, not Roscommon. They >> also should be >> R1b1c7 if the Cenel Maine were truly descended from Nial. >> >> The pedigrees also list a MacConroy of Thomond. Or at least that's the >> identification given by Payton in the Irish Genealogist. >> >> GENELACH MEIC CON RAOI >> 2019. Concobar m Concobair m Domhnaill m Concobhair m Domhnaill m >> Donnchadha >> m Donnchadha m Ferghusa m Diermada m Concobair m Con raoi m Amlaibh m >> Luighdech m Baedain m Site m Cais m Luighdech m Luachain m Finnellaigh m >> Dunghusa m >> Dungalaigh m Comghaill m Sarain m Mallthola m Othain m Baedain m Gno >> bicc >> m >> Delbna m Cais m Conaill echluaith. >> And it seems a MacConrai sept of Galway is listed in O'Donovans Hy Many. >> Cland Indrachtaig, mic Mailiduin, .i. Muinnter Ruairc,_112_ >> (javascript:footNote('G105007/note112.html')) ocus Mic Brain,_113_ >> (javascript:footNote('G105007/note113.html')) ocus Mic Muroin,_114_ >> (javascript:footNote('G105007/note114.html')) &ca. ocus Muinnter >> Mailchada, a quo Muinnter Dublaind,_115_ >> (javascript:footNote('G105007/note115.html')) ocus h-Ua Flannchada, &ca. >> ocus >> Muinnter Mailcroin,_116_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note116.html')) >> Mic >> Dungail,_117_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note117.html')) ocus >> Muinnter >> Arrachtan,_118_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note118.html')) ocus >> Muinnter >> Duibgilla,_119_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note119.html')) ocus >> Muinnter >> Conrai._120_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note120.html')) >> O'Donovan's Notes: >> i. e. the family of O'Conrui, now made Conroy; but this family must be >> distinguished from the Mac Conrys of West Connaught, and from the >> O'Mulconrys of >> Cloonahee and Strokestown, who shorten their name to Conry. >> I don't think anyone knows what the DNA of the Ui Maine looks like. >> There >> are two conflicting pedigrees - one from Colla da Crioch - the other >> directly >> from the antecedants of Nial. If true either would make them R1b1c7. >> But >> the descendant of Colla da Crioch are not r1b1c7 (Maguires, McMahons, >> O'Hanlons). So connecting the Ui Maine of Connacht to this stock could >> be just >> another fabrication. >> Then you have the Conraghys of Queen and Kings Co. in 1659 (52 listed), >> but >> mostly in Queens Co. (Laois). Not a single annal entry or a pedigree to >> describe them. In fact not a single reference prior to the mid 17th >> century. >> You have an oral legend of a single ancestor sometime around 1600 (Conn >> na >> Ratha) but the presence of so many Conraghy families in 1659 spread >> across >> different baronies and parishes of Queen and kings counties makes this >> seem >> unlikely (to me anyway). No references in the Topographical Poems, so >> they probably >> weren't chieftains. Yet there are a lot of them. >> I'm not trying to butt into your research here. I just think the >> surname >> is >> interesting. >> John >> >> >> >> John >> >> >> >> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. >> ( >> http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >> 48) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message