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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:02:27 -0500
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John,

You're right - Conraghty and Conratha must be one and the same people.
Therefore I need to research a little more... it's possible the date for the
battle is wrong...

Cheers,
Paul


On Feb 1, 2008 9:21 PM, <> wrote:

>
> In a message dated 2/1/2008 9:48:58 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> John,
>
> Yes, these would be the Roscommon Conroy's - sometimes written Conry.
>
>
>
> That's an interesting connection then, because the Ua Mael Conaires were
> Cenel Maine m. Neill. And like most of the Cenel Maine, their original
> territory should have been in Tethbha or Bregia, not Roscommon. They
> also should be
> R1b1c7 if the Cenel Maine were truly descended from Nial.
>
> The pedigrees also list a MacConroy of Thomond. Or at least that's the
> identification given by Payton in the Irish Genealogist.
>
> GENELACH MEIC CON RAOI
> 2019. Concobar m Concobair m Domhnaill m Concobhair m Domhnaill m
> Donnchadha
> m Donnchadha m Ferghusa m Diermada m Concobair m Con raoi m Amlaibh m
> Luighdech m Baedain m Site m Cais m Luighdech m Luachain m Finnellaigh m
> Dunghusa m
> Dungalaigh m Comghaill m Sarain m Mallthola m Othain m Baedain m Gno bicc
> m
> Delbna m Cais m Conaill echluaith.
> And it seems a MacConrai sept of Galway is listed in O'Donovans Hy Many.
> Cland Indrachtaig, mic Mailiduin, .i. Muinnter Ruairc,_112_
> (javascript:footNote('G105007/note112.html')) ocus Mic Brain,_113_
> (javascript:footNote('G105007/note113.html')) ocus Mic Muroin,_114_
> (javascript:footNote('G105007/note114.html')) &ca. ocus Muinnter
> Mailchada, a quo Muinnter Dublaind,_115_
> (javascript:footNote('G105007/note115.html')) ocus h-Ua Flannchada, &ca.
> ocus
> Muinnter Mailcroin,_116_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note116.html'))
> Mic
> Dungail,_117_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note117.html')) ocus Muinnter
> Arrachtan,_118_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note118.html')) ocus
> Muinnter
> Duibgilla,_119_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note119.html')) ocus
> Muinnter
> Conrai._120_ (javascript:footNote('G105007/note120.html'))
> O'Donovan's Notes:
> i. e. the family of O'Conrui, now made Conroy; but this family must be
> distinguished from the Mac Conrys of West Connaught, and from the
> O'Mulconrys of
> Cloonahee and Strokestown, who shorten their name to Conry.
> I don't think anyone knows what the DNA of the Ui Maine looks like.
> There
> are two conflicting pedigrees - one from Colla da Crioch - the other
> directly
> from the antecedants of Nial. If true either would make them R1b1c7.
> But
> the descendant of Colla da Crioch are not r1b1c7 (Maguires, McMahons,
> O'Hanlons). So connecting the Ui Maine of Connacht to this stock could
> be just
> another fabrication.
> Then you have the Conraghys of Queen and Kings Co. in 1659 (52 listed),
> but
> mostly in Queens Co. (Laois). Not a single annal entry or a pedigree to
> describe them. In fact not a single reference prior to the mid 17th
> century.
> You have an oral legend of a single ancestor sometime around 1600 (Conn
> na
> Ratha) but the presence of so many Conraghy families in 1659 spread
> across
> different baronies and parishes of Queen and kings counties makes this
> seem
> unlikely (to me anyway). No references in the Topographical Poems, so
> they probably
> weren't chieftains. Yet there are a lot of them.
> I'm not trying to butt into your research here. I just think the surname
> is
> interesting.
> John
>
>
>
> John
>
>
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