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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:24:17 -0500
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John,

>From FamilyTreeDNA, I get the following results:

I'm a GD=1 for 25-markers for:
Kathleen Dunne-Woelfel (Y37)

I'm a GD=2 for 25-Markers for:
Lee J. Bain (Y37)
Peter R Dunn (Y37)
Robert Hugh Dunn (Y37)
Joseph Patrick Cullivan (Y67)
William N Kelley (Y37)

For some reason, all of these have chosen NOT to be listed on ySearch

Cheers,
Paul


On Jan 31, 2008 12:48 AM, <> wrote:

> In a message dated 1/30/2008 10:01:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> writes:
> Almost 30 years ago, when I was 17, I was elected to the committee of the
> Laois Heritage Society, and one of the things we did was to republish a
> limited edition of of a rare Laois history book called, "History of the
> Queen's County" by Canon O'Hanlon - there were only 2 copies in existance
> at
> the time - I happen to own a reprint and that's where I got the
> information
> on Conn na Ratha.
>
> I'll take your word for the translation of na Ratha. I'm sure you know
> what
> you're talking about. But this ignores the larger question raised about
> the
> Dunnes of Iregan.
>
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> http://www.irishmidlandsancestry.com/content/family_history/families/odunne.ht
> m
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> The pedigree of the Dunnes has them descend from Flainn da conghal and
> Rosa
> failgigh, son of Cathoir Mor as described on this web site for the Dunnes.
> This is very much a Leinster (Lagin) pedigree. There are a lot of Lagin
> chieftains in the Trinity database but none of them are R1b1c7. The most
> prominent of these are the O'Byrnes, but there are also Murphy, Kelly and
> Ryan
> samples that match the same DNA - and on Ysearch and Sorenson Cavanagh and
> O'Toole. Their DNA is called either the Leinster modal or the Irish Sea
> modal.
> Whatever they are, they aren't R1b1c7.
>
> It's the disconnect between the Dunne of Iregan pedigree and your DNA
> that
> has me puzzled.
>
> I'm also puzzled by this statement elsewhere on the same web site:
>
> This might well be expected because, in addition to the septs referred to
> above, there was also a not unimportant sept called O Conratha, alias
> MacConratha, of the same stock as the MacCoughlans of Offaly. Their arms
> are quite
> different from those of O'Mulcrony.
>
> This would seem to refer to the pedigree "GENELACH MEIC CON RAOI" in
> O'Clery.
>
> Who were they? A Conroy sept in Offaly? But this pedigree shouldn't be
> R1b1c7 either, coming from the same stock as the O'Briens of Thomond.
>
> I see you are close to a Dunne from King's/Offaly (6 GD)
>
> 3G5W3 Dunne Kings/Offaly, Ireland
>
> There's also a sample from a Dunn in Clonaslee (Laois).
>
> PCA63 Dunn Clonaslee, Ireland
>
> This one is also apparently R1b1c7 but a GD of 14 from your own sample.
>
> Another Dunne giving King's/Offaly as a reference doesn't match anything
> at
> all.
>
> XNAME Dunne Kings/Offaly, Ireland
>
> In fact I wonder if this is some kind of practical joke (XName?) Or if
> whoever posted this somehow scrambled all the markers.
>
> I'm not a great believer in pedigrees, even though I talk about them a
> lot.
> What else do we have to work with? Even if most of them are fabrications
> in
> one way or the other.
>
>
> The census of 1659 lists a lot of Conraghy families in Kings and Queens
> Co.
>
>
> King's Co. (Barony of Geshell).
>
> Conraghy, 4
>
> Queen's Co. (Barony of Portnyhinch)
>
> Conraghy, 5
>
> Queen's Co. (Barony of Tynahinch)
>
> Conraghy, 17;
>
> Queen's Co. (Barony of Barony of Stradbally)
>
> Conrahy, 9
>
> Queen's Co. (Barony of Maryborrough)
>
> Conrahy, 13
>
> Queens' Co. (Barony of Cullenagh)
>
> Conrahy, 4
>
>
> That's actually quite a few (52), with the majority in Queen's (Laois) and
> the largest concentration in the barony of Tinnahinch. That's not a huge
> number but bigger than I've seen for a lot of Irish surnames in 1659.
>
> Tinnahinch - The O'Regan and the O'Dunne septs were chiefs of Ui Riagan
> (Iregan) here. The area marked by the River Barrow was referred to as
> O'Dowlings
> country. (from Ireland in Maps).
>
> That would seem to be too many Conraghys in too many different locations
> to
> derive from a 16th or 17th century ancestor.
>
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> John
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