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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:48:04 EST


In a message dated 1/30/2008 10:01:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:
Almost 30 years ago, when I was 17, I was elected to the committee of the
Laois Heritage Society, and one of the things we did was to republish a
limited edition of of a rare Laois history book called, "History of the
Queen's County" by Canon O'Hanlon - there were only 2 copies in existance at
the time - I happen to own a reprint and that's where I got the information
on Conn na Ratha.

I'll take your word for the translation of na Ratha. I'm sure you know what
you're talking about. But this ignores the larger question raised about the
Dunnes of Iregan.

http://www.irishmidlandsancestry.com/content/family_history/families/odunne.ht
m

The pedigree of the Dunnes has them descend from Flainn da conghal and Rosa
failgigh, son of Cathoir Mor as described on this web site for the Dunnes.
This is very much a Leinster (Lagin) pedigree. There are a lot of Lagin
chieftains in the Trinity database but none of them are R1b1c7. The most
prominent of these are the O'Byrnes, but there are also Murphy, Kelly and Ryan
samples that match the same DNA - and on Ysearch and Sorenson Cavanagh and
O'Toole. Their DNA is called either the Leinster modal or the Irish Sea modal.
Whatever they are, they aren't R1b1c7.

It's the disconnect between the Dunne of Iregan pedigree and your DNA that
has me puzzled.

I'm also puzzled by this statement elsewhere on the same web site:

This might well be expected because, in addition to the septs referred to
above, there was also a not unimportant sept called O Conratha, alias
MacConratha, of the same stock as the MacCoughlans of Offaly. Their arms are quite
different from those of O'Mulcrony.

This would seem to refer to the pedigree "GENELACH MEIC CON RAOI" in
O'Clery.

Who were they? A Conroy sept in Offaly? But this pedigree shouldn't be
R1b1c7 either, coming from the same stock as the O'Briens of Thomond.

I see you are close to a Dunne from King's/Offaly (6 GD)

3G5W3 Dunne Kings/Offaly, Ireland

There's also a sample from a Dunn in Clonaslee (Laois).

PCA63 Dunn Clonaslee, Ireland

This one is also apparently R1b1c7 but a GD of 14 from your own sample.

Another Dunne giving King's/Offaly as a reference doesn't match anything at
all.

XNAME Dunne Kings/Offaly, Ireland

In fact I wonder if this is some kind of practical joke (XName?) Or if
whoever posted this somehow scrambled all the markers.

I'm not a great believer in pedigrees, even though I talk about them a lot.
What else do we have to work with? Even if most of them are fabrications in
one way or the other.


The census of 1659 lists a lot of Conraghy families in Kings and Queens Co.


King's Co. (Barony of Geshell).

Conraghy, 4

Queen's Co. (Barony of Portnyhinch)

Conraghy, 5

Queen's Co. (Barony of Tynahinch)

Conraghy, 17;

Queen's Co. (Barony of Barony of Stradbally)

Conrahy, 9

Queen's Co. (Barony of Maryborrough)

Conrahy, 13

Queens' Co. (Barony of Cullenagh)

Conrahy, 4


That's actually quite a few (52), with the majority in Queen's (Laois) and
the largest concentration in the barony of Tinnahinch. That's not a huge
number but bigger than I've seen for a lot of Irish surnames in 1659.

Tinnahinch - The O'Regan and the O'Dunne septs were chiefs of Ui Riagan
(Iregan) here. The area marked by the River Barrow was referred to as O'Dowlings
country. (from Ireland in Maps).

That would seem to be too many Conraghys in too many different locations to
derive from a 16th or 17th century ancestor.



John
















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