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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:48:41 EST


In a message dated 1/30/2008 2:52:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:
Let's not get out terms/names mixed up:

The O'Duinn name from Laois/Offaly is anglicized as Dunne - NOT Dunn. The
territory was Ui Reagan and was anglicized as Iregan.

O'Donovan used the spelling Dunn to refer to both septs. That's what I was
quoting, viz.:

Topographical Poems

Let us raise up for Teamhair, more
Of kings with great courage;
His yoke has tamed each battalion,
O'Duinn54 over the districts of Teamhair.

54. O'Duinn. - This family is also totally unknown for centuries. It cannot
be distinguished from the O'Duinns or Dunns, of Iregan.

The O'Brogarbhains371 of townlands,
The Clann Chionaoith,372 the Clann Conchbhair,373
They spend their lands on knowledge,
The O'Duinns374 and the O'Diomasaighs.375

374. O'Duinns, i.e., the family of O'Doyne, or Dunn, of Iregan, now the
barony of Portnahinch in the Queen's county. Colonel Francis Dunne, M.P. is the
present head of this family.

There is a pedigree in O'Clery for the O'Duinns of Iregan.

GENELACH UI DHUINN

1771. Ruaidri m Donnchada m Amalgada (col. c) m Amalgadha m Taidhg m
Amalgadha m Con rnhuighe m Duinn slebhe m Con mhuighe m Cerbaill m Con bladma m
Conallaigh m Fithchellaigh m Duinn (o fuilit h. Duinn) m Duibh ghiolla m Mail
fhionna m Riagain m Cionaedha m Flainn da conghal.

Flainn da conghal is listed in the pedigrees as a descendant of Cathoir Mor,
the same line as UI CONCHOBAIR FAILGHE. This pedigree connects with the
Lagin of Leinster, the same tribe as the O'Brynes, MacMurroughs, Cavanagh,
Ryans, etc., all of which match the Leinster modal or Irish Sea modal; definitely
not R1b1c7.

McLysaght mentions a family of Leix/Offaly - O Conrahy - O Conratha - and
states it is often changed to Conroy.

That would seem to fit your description:

"The name as I outlined previously was originally derived from Conn Dunne,
who ran a great distance to warn the Irish of an invading army of English
soldiers, and so was given
the eponym "Conn na Ratha" - Conn of the Race, or Conn the Racer - which was
anglicized to Conrahy and later to Conroy."

A note from Woulfe derives the surname from "rath" or " prosperity," which
McLsaght states is doubtful.

Conratha and Conn na Ratha would appear to be two distinct forms. Others
translate the surname Conratha as ""hound of prosperity."

At least one web site connects the O Conrathas of Leix/Offaly to the
McCoughlans.

"there was also a not unimportant sept called O Conratha, alias MacConratha,
of the same stock as the MacCoughlans of Offaly. Their arms are quite
different from those of O'Mulcrony."

The O Clery Book of Genealogies list a pedigree for McCoughlan, followed by
one for MEIC CON RAOI, which is probably the source of the above statement.
Like the McCoughlans, this pedigree ends in Delbna m Cais m Conaill
echluaith.

GENELACH MEIC CON RAOI

2019. Concobar m Concobair m Domhnaill m Concobhair m Domhnaill m Donnchadha
m Donnchadha m Ferghusa m Diermada m Concobair m Con raoi m Amlaibh m
Luighdech m Baedain m Site m Cais m Luighdech m Luachain m Finnellaigh m Dunghusa m
Dungalaigh m Comghaill m Sarain m Mallthola m Othain m Baedain m Gno bicc m
Delbna m Cais m Conaill echluaith.

This would appear to be a Thomond pedigree (O'Brien) . But Kenneth Nichols
has written a long article on the pedigree of the McCoughlans of Delvin in
the Irish Genealogist in which he concludes the pedigree was a medieval
fabrication.


< Conn Dunne, who ran a great distance to warn the Irish of an invading army
of English soldiers, and so was given the eponym "Conn na Ratha" - Conn of
the Race, or Conn the Racer - which was
anglicized to Conrahy and later to Conroy.

What's your source for this statement?

Lastly I looked up "race" in several Irish dictionaries. Race is given as
ras and in some forms, Rith.
Rath is translated as "properity." Race as a noun is "reis."

I'm finding all kinds of contradictory information on the Conroy family of
Offaly/leix. Could the surname come from Mac Con Raoi of the O'Clery
genealogies? If so why is the form of the surname quoted by Woulfe & McLysaght O
Conratha? Mac and O were often interchangeable forms so that doesn't mean much.
If the Mac Con Raoi of O'Clery are not O Conratha than who are they? They
too have the name Delbna in their pedigree (Delvin in Offaly).


John











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