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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Southern Ui Neill DNA
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:50:57 -0500
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John,

Let's not get out terms/names mixed up:

The O'Duinn name from Laois/Offaly is anglicized as Dunne - NOT Dunn. The
territory was Ui Reagan and was anglicized as Iregan.

All Conroy's are not related to Dunnes.

There are 3 Conroy lineages in Ireland today:

1. The first Conroy clan and arguably the most notable are from County
Roscommon, in the North Midlands of Ireland - originally Maol Conaire,
anglicized to Mulconroy and later Conroy. In Ireland or Scotland the Gaelic
work "Maol" meant "tonsured", and indicated descent from a Monk. And indeed
one of compilers of the "Annals of the Four Masters" was a monk called
Conaire - the other 3 were O'Clearigh, anglicized Clery - and these are his
descendants.

2. The second Conroy clan is from the county Galway/Mayo borderlands, in the
West of Ireland. Originally O'Conraoi - descendant of Conraoi - or MacConRi
- son of the King. Most of these were eventually anglicized to Conroy,
though some of the former to Connery and some of the latter to King. The
most famous of these was the Poet/Playwright, Padraig O'Conaire - whose
statue stands in Galway Square today.

3. Lastly, and probably the least numerous are the Laois Conroys, of which I
am a member, in the South Midlands of Ireland. The name as I outlined
previously was originally derived from Conn Dunne, who ran a great distance
to warn the Irish of an invading army of English soldiers, and so was given
the eponym "Conn na Ratha" - Conn of the Race, or Conn the Racer - which was
anglicized to Conrahy and later to Conroy.

So few Conroys are related to Dunnes - unless they come from Laois or Offaly
originally.

Cheers,
Paul




On Jan 30, 2008 1:42 AM, <> wrote:

> Does anyone have any southern Ui Neill DNA samples? I have tons of NW
> Irish
> R1b1c7 from Donegal, L'Derry and Tyrone; and lots of R1b1c7 from Connacht
> surnames, but almost no samples from the southern Ui Neill. I find this
> strange since the southern Ui Neill are said to also descend from
> different sons of
> Nial.
>
> After lots of looking on Ysearch and Sorenson, I can only find a few
> samples
> that "might" be southern Ui Neill.
>
> U7NDR Dunn U.S.
> 3G5W3 Dunne Kings/Offaly, Ireland
> 9U9YM Flanagan Dromore - County Tyrone, Ireland
> A2GCJ Molloy Tipperary, Ireland
> SMGF Geoghegan Westmeath
>
> The two strongest in this list are Geoghegan and Molloy, both said to
> descend from Fiachach m. Neill. There are Dunns (o Duinn) listed in the
> Topographical Poems in Meath as chieftains of Tara but I have no
> documentation that
> says they are southern Ui Neill. According to O'Donovan, these were
> different
> than the Dunns of Iregan. There is a pedigree for O Duinn of Offaly
> which
> connects them to the O'Conor failge stock. But these are probably not
> R1b1c7
> but Lagin.
>
> 54. O'Duinn. - This family is also totally unknown for centuries. It
> cannot
> be distinguished from the O'Duinns or Dunns, of Iregan.
>
> 374. O'Duinns, i.e., the family of O'Doyne, or Dunn, of Iregan, now the
> barony of Portnahinch in the Queen's county. Colonel Francis Dunne, M.P.
> is the
> present head of this family.
>
> O'Flannagan is a surname that appears in the Fir Tethbha. And I've seen
> from recent posts that Conroy may be related to the Dunnes.
>
> DNA seems to have validated the relationship between the northern Ui Neill
> and the Connachta. But samples are still lacking for the southern Ui
> Neill.
> The other tribe said to descend from the same stock, the Airgialla or
> descendants of the Three Collas, seem not to be R1b1c7 at all. None of
> their
> chieftains in historical times are R1b1c7, including the Maguires,
> McMahons and
> O'Hanlons, all of which appear in the Trinity study database.
>
> The southern Ui Neill were not a single tribe but a group of tribes said
> to
> descend from different sons of Nial.
>
> 1. Conal Cremthaine (O'Melaghlin, O'Connelly)
> 2. Laegaire (O'Connellan, Quinlan)
> 3. Maine (Fox, O'Kearney)
> 4. Cairbre (O'Flannagan)
> 5. Fiachach (O'Molloy, McGeoghegan)
>
> For me, this is one of the remaining mysteries of irish R1b1c7.
>
>
> John
>
>
>
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