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From: "Shirley Diethelm" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Dohertys and YCAab = 19-22
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:34:15 -0800
In-Reply-To: <c2c.285a1114.34c6a509@aol.com>


John to respond to your email, yes we do have a history in Scotland but I
will start in Ireland with Aodh Alainn born abt 1037 in Ulster Ireland and
his son, Dunsleve moved to Loch Fine Scotland and there they stayed for
about 18 generations, then Iain (John) MacLachlan went back to Ireland were
he died, his son Adam born 1698 in Ireland got on a ship and settled in PA.
This sounds so confusing, sorry but I have been to Scotland many times to
the clan gathering on Loch Fyne and our research has the Laughlin's in
Ireland first then Scotland then back to Ireland and then PA.

Sincerely,

Shirley for William Laughlin Kit 75091





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In a message dated 1/21/2008 4:05:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,

writes:



David, I just had to respond to your information on the Ewing line. I am

doing research on my Laughlin line and I have many Ewing names in

connections with Laughlin and Milford families. One Nathaniel Ewing born

about 1695 and died in 1748 and was buried in the Laughlin burial ground on

Hugh Laughlin's property in Fayette Co. PA. We believe that Nathaniel Ewing

and Adam Laughlin came to the new world about the same time, 1725 from

Ireland.







You have one of the mystery Laughlin entries in our McLaughlin Surname

Project.



You're (KPX4T) an almost perfect match for another Laughlin (379QM) from

Tyrone (GD 1 at 37 markers). Other matches listed by FamilyTree DNA are:



GD 2 at 25 markers



Burns (2)

Mawhorter

Lominac



GD 4 at 37 markers



Manees



I've talked to your match in the project (379QM) and he believes his

ancestors were Scottish. I'll let him tell you more himself if he reads
this post.

I don't really know if any of these matches are valid though - both you and


the other Laughlin sample have a couple of distinctive markers:



DYS 389 = 23

DYS 607 = 15



Otherwise you're an almost perfect match to the R1b1c7 modal so these

matches might be deceiving.



We have no idea which McLaughlin/Laughlin group you might fit into. Your

DNA is R1b1c7. You don't match any of the Mclaughlins from Donegal. We
think

the Argyllshire Maclachlans are similar to the R1b-Scots modal which you

don't match. Another group of McLaughlins/McCloughans from Scotland also
do not

match. It's possible there was yet another Scottish group of McLaughins we


haven't discovered yet, one that was R1b1c7, because we do have several
R1b1c7

McLaughlins who state their ancestors came from Scotland.



Do you have a family tradition of coming from somewhere in Scotland to

ireland?



There is a tendency to assume that every McLaughlin in Scotland is a member


of the Argyllshire clan Maclachlans. Mainly because there is no

documentation on any other McLaughlin sept native to Scotland. One very
early writer

(Buchanan of Auchmar) listed a number of identifiable McLaughlins branches
in

Scotland in the early 1700s.



1. Maclachlan of Strathlachlan (in Argyle, "where most of the clan reside."

2. Maclauchlans of Craigintairrow, Inchchonell, and divers other heritors
of

that surname in said shire

3. Maclauchlan of Auchintroig, in the shire of Stirling

4.sept of the McLauchlans residing in Morvern and Lochaber



No one, including the Clan Maclachlan Society, really know if these are

related or completely different McLaughlin septs in Scotland. They list
the

same basic branches, which come down to Argyllshire, Lochaber and
Stirlingshire

with offshoots from each.







John





















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