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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] DYS values for specific surnames
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:59:13 EST



In a message dated 1/19/2008 11:43:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,
writes:

I have been following with interest the discussion of individual DYS#
values as related to specific surnames from Donegal, especially the
Dohertys. My ancestors from County Mayo had the surname Munnelly or
Monnelly. This was usually eventually Anglicized to "Manley" in the US,
especially after the Molly Maguire trials and hangings in Pennsylvania in
the late 1870s. The Munnelly/Monnelly surname appears to be unique to
County Mayo in that it is found almost nowhere else before the 1800s. Even
in County Mayo, it is statistically uncommon.



I posted this once before but it wouldn't hurt to do it again. I didn't see
any of the characteristic Doherty markers in your brother's DNA sample
(9ZQQG) but I don't think every single Doherty from Donegal has these and we don't
know when they first arose. Mike Doherty might be able to help with this.

John O'Donovan
Ordnance Survey Letters
John O'Donovan
1838

Co. Mayo (Vol. 1)

Errus

p. 83 sec. 156

"A Colony of the Kinel-Connell were established here about two centuries
since,
and it was among them the Caah of St. Columbille was found. Who were the
keepers
of the Caah and Red Stone of Saint Columbkille according to the Donegal
Inquisition?"

p. 88 sec. 166

"This parish of Kilcommon is divided into four districts, viz.,-

(1) Dunkeeghan (Domha Caochain) to the north.
(2) Glenamoy (Gleann na Muaidh) to the north east.
(3) Ballymonelly (Baile Ui Mhonaoile) to the east.
(4) Ballycroy (Baile Cruaiche) to the south.

The two latter districts were colonized by tribes from Tirconnell about
two centuries
ago. Ballymonelly was colonized by tribe of the Dohertys who cam hither as
tradition
says, under the conduct of Monaoile (Maonghaile) O'Doherty from whom they
have been
named O'Meneelys, and Ballycroy by several families from the same country
who settled
under O'Donnell. The principal surnames among these are Mac Sweeny,
O'Clery, O'Gallagher,
Conway, Mac Menamou and O'Friel. These still speak the Ultonian dialect of
the Irish and
are calloed by their neighbours na h-ultaigh, ie., the Ulstermen.

The period at which they emigrated from Tirconnell into Ballycroy can be
calculated from the
following pedigree of Maney Mac Sweeny of Ballycroy:-

1, Maney, the son of
2. Edmond, who was the son of
3. Maney
4. Emon Roe
5. Loughlin
6. Manus Duff
7. Loughlin Garve, the first of the name who removed to Ballycroy
8. Loughlin Liath, who died in Tirconnell.

They have no other chronology but the number of generations since their
emigration - a
very primitive mode of calculating time.

The following is the pedigree of Sir Richard, the son of Sir Neal O'Donnell,
preserved
by tradition in this country.

1. Sir RIchard, the son of
2. Sir Neal Beag, who was the son of
3. Niall Garve
4. Hugh More
5. Col. Maney
6. Rory, the first who removed to Ballycroy
7. Col. Manus
8. Niall Garve"

"I have consulted the most intelligent of the O'Clerys and Conways of
Ballycroy about the pedigree of the O'Donnell with whom their ancestors
emigrated to Connaught and find that they have a vivid recollection of
everything connected with him.

The pedigree of the present Sir Richard O'Donnell runs as follows:-

Sir Richard, the Darbyite or swaddlibng preacher, son of
Ruaidhri (not correct here)
Niall (i.e., Niall Garbh).
Conn
Caffar (recte Calbhach).
....some generations wanting here.
Torlogh an Fhiona.

Does this agree with the pedigree of the O'Donnell given by Sir William
Betham?

Griffith's Valuations

Mayo and Sligo


Parish of Kilcommon

Monelly, Anthony Derrycorrib
Monelly, Bridget Derrycorrib
Monelly, Edward Derrycorrib

Monelly, Bridget Gorteenmore

Monelly, Edmond Gweesalia
Monelly, Patrick Gweesalia

Monelly, James Aghareville, Upper

Monelly, John Cuilmore
Monelly, Michael Cuilmore

Monelly, Patrick Ballyfarnagh

Monelly, Richard Clare


Parish of Aghagower

Monelly, Edward Tonranny

Parish of Addergoole

Monelly, Michael Massbrook, South
Monelly, Patrick Knockfranaght

Co. Sligo

Parish of Easkey

Monelly, Peter Ballymeeny Armstrong


In addition to these Monelly listings there are a lot of Dohertys in the
Griffith's in Mayo. Too many to list here.


John




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