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From: Steven Lominac <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Lamineck / Lominac Correspondence
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:09:27 -0600
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It is maddening Tony,

"The Irish City asnd County known in Gaelic Irish as Luimneach (lim-nuck) morphed through Scandanavian / English influenced versions such as Lymrick, Lymerick, Limmerick into the modern > Limerick version."

I have seen the interchangeable N/R of the phonetic equivalent Luimneach/Limmerich, Lameneck/Lammerich and even here in the States, Lomenick/Lomerick. There are more than a few phonetic equivalents in the Isles including the Leamhanach (various spellings) denoting the Lennox, hell there is even a reference to a famous harp (The Clarsach Lomanach) and a reel (Lomanach Reel) It is not a recognized surname of the Gaels though it is still possible it was some man who took the name of where he came from and ended up on the continent. The most likely at this point are the Lomenech's of Brittany. I'll keep an open mind.
The interaction between Brittany, Ireland, Scotland and Wales in the waning and after the fall of the Western Roman Empire should really be looked at closely. There were a number of gaelic monks and Saints who made the trek between these various places. For instance St Gildas was born in Scotland, educated in Wales and founded monasteries on the continent including Brittany. This is also around or just following the era of Neill of the Nine Hostages, perhaps this is causing some of the confusion on the dispursement of the R1b1c7s. Thanks Tony,

Steve



> From: > To: > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:03:41 +0000> Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] Lamineck / Lominac Correspondence> > LAMINECK / LOMINAC> > Reference the most interesting R1b1c7 Lominac / Lamineck correspondence.> > Just some more comment to muddy the water further.> > Others have already written in similiar vein , however here goes nevertheless.> > > > The Irish City asnd County known in Gaelic Irish as Luimneach (lim-nuck) morphed through > > Scandanavian / English influenced versions such as Lymrick, Lymerick, Limmerick into the modern > > Limerick version. This is an indicator as to how easily names can take on new forms over the Centuries. > > Lamineck and Lominac may or may not be connected, however their originals may have started out as > > being very different to their modern (1600 onwards) versions.> > For example the name of an Irish "Wild Goose" coming to Continental European after the 17th Century > > Wars, the 1691 Treaty of Limerick or much earlier could well have simply become known as "Of Limerick" > > and therefore simply as Limerick or one of its variants. His offspring perhaps later on took-on a very > > similar sounding local name from wherever they lived. Who knows ?> > > > LOM (lum) in Irish Gaelic means BARE, eg. Pairc a lomadh, (paw-airk a luma) means to mow a field closely.> > LOMANACH (lum-maunoch) when referring to a person in Irish Gaelic can mean either an ascetic or > > excessively thin person or one poorly or scantily clad or both. Such a description could easily fit Early Irish > > Christian Monks or the many "Irish Beggar" Refugees who flooded Continental Europe at various times.> > The Luim or Lim part of the Limerick nameplace derives also from the Gaelic LOM.> > > > LOM MANAIGH (lum-maun-nee) could also refer to bald, ie. shorn or tonsured Irish Monks and their > > associates or followers. Manach (maun-och) = Monk. Manaigh = Monks.> > > > The two UA LOMAN references in the Irish "Annals of the Four Masters" refer respectively to persons > > probably of the Ua Maine and Ulaidh groups, neither of whom should theoretically be R1b1c7 if the > > seeming Gaelic Genealogies R1b1c7 association with the various Condos / Connachta groups is valid.> > (remember according to Gaelic tradition the Uí Neill sub-sets are branches of the wider Connachta).> > > > All sorts of Lominac / Lamineck permutations are possible.> > The R1b1c7 Lamineck / Lominac association could be the result of a single Gaelic Connachta > > interloper into a completely unrelaterd indigenous Contintental European family. > > The Irish Monk connection with Brittany is plausible as is the Breton derived nameplace connection.> > The Lamineck / Lominac investigation could be the beginning of a trail to a Continental European > > origin for R1b1c7. Again, who knows ? > > Bottom line in making connections through DNA is massively more widespread DNA Test Results than > > currently available. Hopefully the Lominac / Lamineck saga will run and run.> > > > Tony O'Shaughnessy> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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