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From: "Tony O'Shaghnessy" <>
Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] Lamineck / Lominac Correspondence
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:03:41 -0000


LAMINECK / LOMINAC

Reference the most interesting R1b1c7 Lominac / Lamineck correspondence.

Just some more comment to muddy the water further.

Others have already written in similiar vein , however here goes nevertheless.



The Irish City asnd County known in Gaelic Irish as Luimneach (lim-nuck) morphed through

Scandanavian / English influenced versions such as Lymrick, Lymerick, Limmerick into the modern

Limerick version. This is an indicator as to how easily names can take on new forms over the Centuries.

Lamineck and Lominac may or may not be connected, however their originals may have started out as

being very different to their modern (1600 onwards) versions.

For example the name of an Irish "Wild Goose" coming to Continental European after the 17th Century

Wars, the 1691 Treaty of Limerick or much earlier could well have simply become known as "Of Limerick"

and therefore simply as Limerick or one of its variants. His offspring perhaps later on took-on a very

similar sounding local name from wherever they lived. Who knows ?



LOM (lum) in Irish Gaelic means BARE, eg. Pairc a lomadh, (paw-airk a luma) means to mow a field closely.

LOMANACH (lum-maunoch) when referring to a person in Irish Gaelic can mean either an ascetic or

excessively thin person or one poorly or scantily clad or both. Such a description could easily fit Early Irish

Christian Monks or the many "Irish Beggar" Refugees who flooded Continental Europe at various times.

The Luim or Lim part of the Limerick nameplace derives also from the Gaelic LOM.



LOM MANAIGH (lum-maun-nee) could also refer to bald, ie. shorn or tonsured Irish Monks and their

associates or followers. Manach (maun-och) = Monk. Manaigh = Monks.



The two UA LOMAN references in the Irish "Annals of the Four Masters" refer respectively to persons

probably of the Ua Maine and Ulaidh groups, neither of whom should theoretically be R1b1c7 if the

seeming Gaelic Genealogies R1b1c7 association with the various Condos / Connachta groups is valid.

(remember according to Gaelic tradition the Uí Neill sub-sets are branches of the wider Connachta).



All sorts of Lominac / Lamineck permutations are possible.

The R1b1c7 Lamineck / Lominac association could be the result of a single Gaelic Connachta

interloper into a completely unrelaterd indigenous Contintental European family.

The Irish Monk connection with Brittany is plausible as is the Breton derived nameplace connection.

The Lamineck / Lominac investigation could be the beginning of a trail to a Continental European

origin for R1b1c7. Again, who knows ?

Bottom line in making connections through DNA is massively more widespread DNA Test Results than

currently available. Hopefully the Lominac / Lamineck saga will run and run.



Tony O'Shaughnessy


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