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From: Steven Lominac <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] r1b1c7 on the Continent?
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:48:00 -0600
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John,
After further review, I went back into google/google books with your most probable suggestion of Lomenech and sure enough someone has uploaded a Lomenech geneaology that pre-dates the Lamineck surname in Germany. http://gw1.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=pphc&lang=fr&m=N&v=LOMENECH A couple of those names like Michel and Nicholas are prime candidates as they are the right ages for a Michel and Nicholas on the Lamineck/Lameneck side in Germany and do not show a place or date of death. Some of these Lomenech names go back to the early 1600s. I already showed you the French document from 1536 of a Lemenech. In google books I also found the earliest reference (dated 1406) I have seen of that exact spelling of Lomenech which as I mentioned before is derived from that little Brittany town Locmine (Lochmenech). This town/area has a long association with monks from the British Isles including St. Gildas (born in Scotland, educated in Wales and helped build a monastery in this area of Brittany) dating back to at least the 6th century. This surname is still prevalent in that area of Brittany, in fact I believe there is a Lomenech who is the Mayor of Rennes. If this is my connection; the question is how does it connect to my fellow close R1B1c7 matches. St Gildas and his retinue? Hmmm, I wonder what the odds of some Lomenech over there saying yes to a strange email requesting a DNA sample.... Steve



> From: > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:49:38 -0500> To: > Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] r1b1c7 on the Continent?> > In a message dated 12/24/2007 8:18:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, > writes:> > I'm looking at that one because of the proximity of the surname Lammerich > (Meisenheim) to my own ancestor Johan Jacob Lamineck's Weisweiler/Lauterecken > area (about 6 miles) just before he was born in 1705. Lammerich is a very > close phonetic approximation to my own. > > > Steve, your own family history is a pretty good example of what is probably > NOT Irish Wild Geese R1b1c7. In the LDS IGI the surname Lamineck seems to go > back to at least 1698 in Lauterecken, Pfalz, Bayern, a birth to a couple > named Hanss Georg Lamineck and Maria Susanna. In your entry on Ysearch you > mention the surname appears in that region from the early 1600s. Since the Wild > Geese phenomenon did not even begin until after the Flight of the Earls in > 1607 (an isolated instance in itself - it occurred in Donegal and few > accompanied the "royalty"), it seems unlikely your surname could have been corrupted > from an Irish original or simply adopted in that time frame due to Wild > Goosehood. We have records in our clan society of a Wild Goose (that's terrible > but I can't resist it) named Darby McLaughlin, a 1st Lt. in Earl of Antrim's > Regiment, exiled in France, whose daughter in 1702 applied for a French > confirmation of arms and nobility. There was no name change here.> > Another Wild Goose of sorts might be the ancestors of the O Dochartaigh > chieftains of Inishowen, who left Ireland for Spain in about 1790. They > settled with an uncle (a priest) and applied for certificates of nobility to join > the Spanish navy. In the 1791 census of foreigners in the Archivo Municipal > de Cadiz the surname is spelled "Dogerty" in one place and O'Deghsty in > another. Obviously corrupt be still recognizably connected to its Irish original. > Today the family still spells the surname Doherty.> > Maybe some kind of name change/adoption occurred in the case of other Wild > Geese but it doesn't seem to fit Steve's case.> > I know you've looked high and low for some Irish connection to your own > surname. And at one point found a reference to an Ua Lomanaigh in the annals. > But the original form of your surname is Lamineck and it apparently only > turned into Lominac on entry into the U.S., a common enough occurrence in which > foreign surnames were anglicized to into forms more palatable to the American > (ie, English) ear. I find it difficult to see any real connection between > the Irish Lomanaigh and the German Lamineck, especially since Lominaigh is not > an Irish surname today. Nor was it ever, as far as I can tell. The Ua > Lomanaigh of the annals might not be surname but just the literal use of Ua for > grandson of.> > Steve also mentions he's found similar names elsewhere in Europe.> > "Have also found similar sounding names centuries after the annals on the > Dutch/German border (Spelled Lumnich/Lumick/Lumich?) and later in Brittany area > of France (Lomenech) ...."> > These matches might be closer to the truth than anything else. The last is > especially interesting since Little Brittany who settled by Celts from > Britain in the 5th century. > > Most surnames outside of the Celtic areas of Ireland and Scotland are based > on place names or occupations. Have you had any further luck in finding > place names in Europe that might have given rise to a surname like Lamineck? Or > some kind of occupational name? I have no idea what language might lie > behind such a name.> > Steve's case is extremely interesting since he's tested positive for M222+, > has well traced ancestors at an early date in Germany, and the surname has no > obvious Irish antecedents.> > If not Wild Geese than what?> > > John> > > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)>; > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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