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From: Steven Lominac <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] r1b1c7 on the Continent?
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:59:09 -0600
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You are correct on your surmise of the Lominac surname spelling. It came from Lamineck and morphed into various spellings from 1739 Lancaster Pa, Newberry, SC to it's current form from 1850's North Carolina and includes other spin offs like Laminack, Lomenick, Lominack, Lominick and now numbers hundreds if not thousands. From that one guy from Germany in 1739. Perhaps I should back track on the early 1600s in the Lauterecken region and do a rewrite. I've found a lot of info since that original writing. My best estimate for the spelling I can vouch for is probably at least by the 1670's-80s. There is a Henrich Lamneck mentioned before 1695 in Cronenberg (literally a stone's throw away, I've been there) and the 1698 birth you mentioned which may mean the parents had been there for a bit. There is this marriage just down the road:

JOHANN DANIEL LAMMERICH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 07 DEC 1690 Evangelisch, Meisenheim, Rheinland, Preussen
Spouse: Anna Magdalena Henneshied (Hendershot)

The early to mid 1600s were for names a little further away like Lumnich and of course the aforementioned Lammerich/Lammerich.Lamerich, many of whom you can find in Koeln I got off the Lomenech thing for awhile because I couldn't find any earlier than the German contingent until possibly this French document I found in google books for a Jean Lemenech that appears to be dated in 1536 http://www.tudchentil.net/IMG/doc/Reformation_Cornouaille_1536_-_complements.doc I dont know if that is coincidence or not because it's about a century and half before I find another similar spelling for a person in France. Believe me, I have looked at the connection to Gaul for sometime. The menech part of Lomenech appears to mean monk or monastery whether it's in the ancient cities of Locmine(Locmenech)) in Brittany or Llanymenech in Wales. That would certainly put the Gaels in play, particularly in Brittany as the monks were quite active there. It is the surname matches that are throwing me off track. I have overwhelming number of matches with classic Gael names and it drives me to the Isles for the surname. I will follow the Lammerich line for a bit (Thanks Alan Mill for the Dumfries Link) and see if they are indeed a derivative of McCLamroch. I certainly have a lot of matches with some of the surnames in Alan's documents. A change from an N to an R in the surname doesnt seem to be a big leap. It would be helpful if a Lammerich (Germany)or a Lomenech(France) would post a sample, there's plenty of them around. I don't know if you guys use google books but more docs are going in there every day from libraries around the world. Pretty good source. Thank you John and a Merry Christmas to all.

> From: > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:49:38 -0500> To: > Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] r1b1c7 on the Continent?> > In a message dated 12/24/2007 8:18:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, > writes:> > I'm looking at that one because of the proximity of the surname Lammerich > (Meisenheim) to my own ancestor Johan Jacob Lamineck's Weisweiler/Lauterecken > area (about 6 miles) just before he was born in 1705. Lammerich is a very > close phonetic approximation to my own. > > > Steve, your own family history is a pretty good example of what is probably > NOT Irish Wild Geese R1b1c7. In the LDS IGI the surname Lamineck seems to go > back to at least 1698 in Lauterecken, Pfalz, Bayern, a birth to a couple > named Hanss Georg Lamineck and Maria Susanna. In your entry on Ysearch you > mention the surname appears in that region from the early 1600s. Since the Wild > Geese phenomenon did not even begin until after the Flight of the Earls in > 1607 (an isolated instance in itself - it occurred in Donegal and few > accompanied the "royalty"), it seems unlikely your surname could have been corrupted > from an Irish original or simply adopted in that time frame due to Wild > Goosehood. We have records in our clan society of a Wild Goose (that's terrible > but I can't resist it) named Darby McLaughlin, a 1st Lt. in Earl of Antrim's > Regiment, exiled in France, whose daughter in 1702 applied for a French > confirmation of arms and nobility. There was no name change here.> > Another Wild Goose of sorts might be the ancestors of the O Dochartaigh > chieftains of Inishowen, who left Ireland for Spain in about 1790. They > settled with an uncle (a priest) and applied for certificates of nobility to join > the Spanish navy. In the 1791 census of foreigners in the Archivo Municipal > de Cadiz the surname is spelled "Dogerty" in one place and O'Deghsty in > another. Obviously corrupt be still recognizably connected to its Irish original. > Today the family still spells the surname Doherty.> > Maybe some kind of name change/adoption occurred in the case of other Wild > Geese but it doesn't seem to fit Steve's case.> > I know you've looked high and low for some Irish connection to your own > surname. And at one point found a reference to an Ua Lomanaigh in the annals. > But the original form of your surname is Lamineck and it apparently only > turned into Lominac on entry into the U.S., a common enough occurrence in which > foreign surnames were anglicized to into forms more palatable to the American > (ie, English) ear. I find it difficult to see any real connection between > the Irish Lomanaigh and the German Lamineck, especially since Lominaigh is not > an Irish surname today. Nor was it ever, as far as I can tell. The Ua > Lomanaigh of the annals might not be surname but just the literal use of Ua for > grandson of.> > Steve also mentions he's found similar names elsewhere in Europe.> > "Have also found similar sounding names centuries after the annals on the > Dutch/German border (Spelled Lumnich/Lumick/Lumich?) and later in Brittany area > of France (Lomenech) ...."> > These matches might be closer to the truth than anything else. The last is > especially interesting since Little Brittany who settled by Celts from > Britain in the 5th century. > > Most surnames outside of the Celtic areas of Ireland and Scotland are based > on place names or occupations. Have you had any further luck in finding > place names in Europe that might have given rise to a surname like Lamineck? Or > some kind of occupational name? I have no idea what language might lie > behind such a name.> > Steve's case is extremely interesting since he's tested positive for M222+, > has well traced ancestors at an early date in Germany, and the surname has no > obvious Irish antecedents.> > If not Wild Geese than what?> > > John> > > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)>; > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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