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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] r1b1c7 on the Continent?
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:46:32 EST
Hi Steve, I'm glad I picked up on your email. McClammroch is a surname I am
familiar with and have come across it in my own research on Galloway and
Dumfriesshire. I have created a large database of information relating to the old
surnames of Mullikine and Amuligane from which Milliken and Milligan are
derived in Scotland. You'll find references to them on the following links,
under the first section which covers a period from 1147 to 1629.
_Scottish Documents and Sources_
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alanmilliken/Research/IndexS.html)
>From what I can ascertain, they were a small native family who emerge from
obscurity sometime in the 1500s, though, I think there are isolated references
in the 1400s. There is a place-name styled Glenshimmroch in the old parish of
Dalry in Galloway, where the surname is firmly established from the 1500s.
See the will of William McClammeroch in Holm of Dalquhairn dated 1575. The
Amuliganes and McClammeroch of this area intermarried over several generations.
The also became burgess of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries, and from memory
established themselves as merchants in Edinburgh.
In the old records, it appears in varying from, but I have simply used the
standard form to make it more easy for people to pick it up on the internet.
Alan
In a message dated 24/12/2007 14:18:24 GMT Standard Time,
writes:
"The Germans are often reasonably intelligent, affluent, and traditionally
many of themhave had some interest in ancestry. One would think they would be
more active."
As one of those "reasonably intelligents" whose ancestor hailed from
Germany, I can tell you I have spent literally hundreds of hours over the years
trying to track my surname and also as you noted, the Pfalz connection to the
Gaels. John has already covered some of the connections of the continental
R1b1c7's to Gaeldom but looking through "google books" at some of the very old
documents/books they have scanned in there, there are many more instances of
interaction. My latest possible connection is McClammroch, a Scottish clan
that also appears to have spelling derivations in some of those old books like
Lamroch, Lamerich etc. I'm looking at that one because of the proximity of the
surname Lammerich (Meisenheim) to my own ancestor Johan Jacob Lamineck's
Weisweiler/Lauterecken area (about 6 miles) just before he was born in 1705.
Lammerich is a very close phonetic approximation to my own. The McClamroch clan
appears to be out of Dumfries but I am still investigating and I have found
more than a few of the matching surnames in my FTDNA from this area. I know
it is of interest to the thread to be able to reliably place surnames in a
certain region but this is just one of several working theories I have and I
just cannot make any assurances with out reasonable doubt. For example, I have
a few working theories that place my surname origin on the continent. I am
like a lot of people, waiting for the right matches, the right old document to
show up on the internet or perhaps another trip to Germany now that I am a
little better educated on the process of finding geneaology info. I appreciate
the knowledge of this thread. Thanks.
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