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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Charles Ferguson
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:34:33 EST
Colin, thanks.
I have just found your Kilkerran pedigree for the Kilkerran I1a. As an
aside, I have been researching another branch of the Kilkerran line, known as the
Fergusson of Auchensoul. I have tracked them back to the 1400s. A branch of
this family settled in Co. Down. It is one of those odd pieces of research I
have got caught up in, and have yet to complete. I have been researching the
ancestry of Major James Milliken (d.1744), whose great grandmother, was a
Fergusson of Auchensoul. I was down at the Carnegie Library in Ayr several weeks
ago, and came across some more early documents relating to this family. It
appears in the Protocol Book of James Colvil 1545-1578 published by Ayrshire
Archaeological and Natural History Society 1972.
Back to DNA. Fergusson of Kilkerran is a good result to have. I'm certainly
interested in the trail of Fergus of Galloway, and would like to keep up
contact on this one. I'm familiar with the McDowall result and Leo's connection
with the Garthland family via his Co. Antrim ancestor. I hope Ian Kennedy will
lso be able to persuade a Kennedy close to the original Dunure to
participate in his DNA Study.
Another interesting piece of DNA research relates to the Surname Edgar. It
would seem the main branch of this family is I1a. I haven't yet done a
comparison between the Fergusson and Edgar results. But, if they are indeed close,
this could well open up another line of investigation.
The Craigdarroch line, traditionally, claim to descend from the lords of
Nithsdale, possibly through Edgar of Nithsdale. A family of this name lived near
Craigdarroch for generations in Mid Nithsdale. There is an interesting
charter dated possibly to about 1323, in the reign of Robert the Bruce, in which
his brother, Edward, instigated an inspection of certain lands in the old
earldom of Carrick belong to John de Carlton. Amongst the men called to witness
this inspection were, Gilbert son of Dosnald, Richard Edgar, Colin son of
Duncan and John son of Fergus. It is implied that these men had a local knowledge
of the lands in question, and also held land in the area from Robert the
Bruce.
It has been suggested that 'John son of Fergus', could be the ancestor of
the Fergussons of Kilkerran. Richard Edgar, is almost certainly the Richard
Edgar, whom Bruce granted half the barony of Sanquhar. To me, looking at things
from a different angle, it seems more than a coincident that we should find
these two families living close to each other. It would be even more revealing
if their chieflines turned out to share similar DNA results. I'm going to
leave you guys to do the DNA digging. I will cc a copy of this email to James
Edgar, who subscribes to the Scottish DNA Forum.
Alan Milliken
Ayrshire
In a message dated 03/12/2007 15:14:20 GMT Standard Time,
writes:
Alan,
The Fergusson of the Kilkerran line are I1a whereas as you point out
others in the area are I1c aka I1b2a1. We've not been able to locate a
definitive descendant of the Craigdarroch line.
Regarding comparisons to other surnames, I have looked for DNA matches
to names mentioned in the various Fergusson histories but can nothing
definitive about the I1c. Fergus, the prince of Galloway, is thought
to be an important figure in our history. Leo B. McDowell's pedigree
shows that he is a direct descendant of Fergus and he is R1b1c7
(Ysearch ID: NAZGR). The closest any Ferguson comes to NAZGR is a
genetic distance of 10 for 67 markers for an estimated TMRCA of 1080
years.
http://members.tripod.com/leomcdowell/id21.htm
Cheers,
Colin
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