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From: "Marie Kerr" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 145 / Ewing comment
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:00:27 -0500
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I don't think the goals are mutually exclusive. Yes, migratory patterns are
most interesting and perhaps the ultimate goal. However, there are many
people who do want to and can connect to relatives. Full matches at the
67th level imply a quite recent common ancestor (according to current
science anyway). I have already found one on my father's side. And on my
mother's paternal side and my husband's side I eagerly await a 67th level
match. Remember that Bryan Sykes, whose primary work added immensely to our
understanding of ancient migratory patterns, also connected to his Sykes
"cousins." He sure seemed interested in that as well as the "bigger"
picture.

In addition, through non-DNA research I connected to a previously unknown,
but provable, second cousin once removed. We invited her and her sister to
our family reunion and all were shocked at the resemblance between one of
the sisters and one of my cousins. So second cousins once removed can
indeed-despite all the other DNA in the mix-exhibit remarkable similarities.

Why not accept that this is not an either-or goal but an and search?
Science still has much to reveal.

Marie Golden Kerr

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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 145 / Ewing
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To Terrence and David.........bravo. You got it right on the line. My
understanding of all this project is NOT to find an ancester with a name but
to plot out the migration of groups out of Africa to their present locations
(as the good example of Siberians migrating to North America.) Check with
National Geographic. Thank you David and Terrence
Richard
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DAVID EWING WROTE:
"It is hard for me to understand why this conversation continues.
Strictly
speaking, membership in R1b1c7 conveys zero information about ethnicity
and
zero information about any observable phenotype--except perhaps some
fluke
in spermatogenesis that I am not aware of. A similar, though perhaps
marginally less quantitatively ludicrous mistake is made at "family"
reunions, like the biennial gathering of Clan Ewing, where a bunch of 7th
cousins twice removed are going around looking for family resemblances.
Seventh cousins twice removed share an almost negligible amount of common
genetic material, probably not more than they would share with a random
member of the community."

Well said David.

My imagination takes me back 20 generations where I tabulate two million

ancestors.
Some of these have contributed to my current collection of genetic
material
while others have failed to pass on their particular gene (or genes) as
they
lost the musical chairs competition in one of the past 20 generations.

Six hundred years ago, my ancestors were in Scotland, France, England,
Holland, Germany, Wales, Denmark & Ireland, to name a few. Which of
the genes
passed on to me causes these traits?
I love bag-pipes I am quick to anger I am a
morose unpublished poet
Red hair & freckles When I read Frank McCourt out loud, it conveys
the
idioms much better
Gift of gab frequent use of "black humor"

Going back 1500 generations, it is likely that I could fit all my
ancestors
in a line , standing side by side, on the perimeter of the Red Sea. This
group
would be a large proportion of the total world population...

This DNA research is most interesting---the fun is in the search. The same

spark arises as a genealogist discovers an old wrinkled document in the
courthouse describing a lawsuit involving his ancestor...

This Y-DNA research, however, only leads us to a male ancestor who was
alive
hundreds of years ago.
For all I know, my Irish ancestor might have been a Russian merchant who
settled in County Sligo in 1500's, and became the patriarch of a male line
that
eventually named themselves "KELLEY".

All of the spouses in the line were Irish females, thus the children
became
more & more Irish over the centuries. But the males still had the Russian

merchant Y-DNA.

DNA research is most useful to those who study how populations expand and

migrate---Spencer Wells, Bryan Sykes, etc.

The article below describe a 678 marker test, with the results being that

Native Americans are closely related to Siberians. I wonder if one
Native
American would compare his Y-DNA to one Siberian would he conclude that
he had
found his 11th cousin?

Terence Kelley

_http://www.eurekalert.org/bysubject/index.php?kw=16_
(http://www.eurekalert.org/bysubject/index.php?kw=16)

About the ancestors of Native Americans.
About a DNA test for 678 markers.

"The researchers examined genetic variation at 678 key locations or
markers
in the DNA of present-day members of 29 Native American populations
across
North, Central and South America. They also analyzed data from two
Siberian
groups. The analysis shows:

o genetic diversity, as well as genetic similarity to the Siberian
groups,
decreases the farther a native population is from the Bering Strait -
adding
to existing archaeological and genetic evidence that the ancestors of
native
North and South Americans came by the northwest route. "



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