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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Charles Ferguson
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:04:34 EST
Colin, thanks. I note there are five results relating to the southwest of
Scotland. What I find interesting, is that four out of these five are I1c. I
have been working on an article on the origins of Surnames starting with the
'A' prefix to their name. These are very old names, that are found almost
exclusively in the southwest of Scotland, particularly in Galloway.
You will see the surname McWhirter features in this article. My interest in
this surname lies in its connection with the now lost name Acoueltan and
Montyrcoueltan. In the McWhirter DNA webpage , the predominant results fall into
_McWhirter DNA Project McWhorter DNA Project_
Have you done a comparative study with other I1c Surnames, like McWhirter,
which has its origins in the district of Carrick in Ayrshire?
I'm not an expert in DNA. My interest lies in the genealogical trail. From
what I can determine, the genealogical trail of Montyrcoueltan (from whom the
McWhirters appear to descend) can only be taken back as far as the late 1100s.
I have never found anything that would take it beyond the 1100s. The
Montyrcoueltan appear to be linked to an old Anglian settlement in East Ayrshire,
near Straiton. The late Daphne Brooks in her article "Northumbrian settlement
in Galloway and Carrick", had this to say of Straiton:
"The medieval parish of Straiton lay on the route from the head of the
Glenken to Maybole. The place-name Stratton is common in England where its
derivation was usually 'straet-tun' (the village on the paved road, often a Roman
road). The Church of Staiton was dedicated to St. Cuthbert."
The link with the Cult of St. Cuthbert is very interesting indeed. It doesn't
necessarily affirm an Anglian origin, as there is also links with the old
community of Iona in Argyle and possibly the Western Isles.
For the purpose the R1b1c7 Study, I think the I1c Haplotype provides an
interesting comparison. If I understand the suggested history of the I1c
Haplotype, it appears to have origins that are just as old as the R1b1c7 Haplotype in
Scotland and Ireland. And, it seems, at least in Scotland, to appear in
those areas where the R1b1c7 Haplotype appears to feature more.
I would like to see if it could be shown that families like the Fergussons of
Kilkerran in Ayrshire and Craigdarroch in Dumfriesshire, which might or
might not be of the same stock, are either predominantly I1c or R1b1c7. Like the
Edgars, an important family in Dumfriesshire and traditionally regarded to
have descended from Edgar of Nithsdale c.1200 and who appear to be
predominantly I1c, the Fergusons where an important family with histories that suggest a
pre-Norman origin in the southwest of Scotland.
The comparison might help cast some light on an issue that is close to me,
how old is the R1b1c7 Haplotype in the southwest of Scotland?
In a message dated 02/12/2007 14:50:05 GMT Standard Time,
Yes, take a look at this map and click any icon for more detail