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Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] What's the connection here?
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 04:15:05 EST


In David Wilson's R1b1c7 project of 213 samples (from a few months ago)
there is a group of 18 who share an identical value at DYS 447 (24). To this
sample set I took the liberty of adding an additional 18 samples that are not in
the R1b1c7 project (17 McLaughlins and one Bennett).

The surnames and numbers are as follows:

McLaughlin (19)
Doherty (10)
Ferguson (1)
Slotnick (1)
Kelley (1)
Neel (1)
Burns (1)
Wilson (1)
Bennet (1)

Two of these surnames are known NPEs (Slotnick, Bennett).

The modal for this group differs from the overall R1b1c7 modal at the
following markers:

DYS 458 = 18
DYS 447 = 24
DYS 576 = 17
CDYb = 38

Is there anything these surnames have in common (omitting the known NPEs)?

McLaughlin (19)
Doherty (10)
Ferguson (1)
Kelley (1)
Neel (1)
Burns (1)
Wilson (1)

The one thing that jumps out from this list of surnames is Doherty and
McLaughlin. Both lived in the same part of Donegal (Inishowen peninsula) for over
600 years. Both are said to be descendants of Nial from two different sons
(Conal gulban and Eoghan).

What about the other names?

Neel is an interesting surname in that the McLaughlins and O'Neills were by
pedigree close relatives. And even though the largest group of O'Neills in
Ulster are not R1b1c7 there are R1b1c7 O'Neills in Ulster in lesser numbers in
the Trinity database. Kelley is a name found everywhere in Ireland,
including Ulster. There was an O Ceallaigh (O'Kelly) sept of the Cenel Maoin of
Magh Ith in Donegal/Tyrone. Like the McLaughlins and O'Neills they would have
been Cenel Eoghain. There were a handful of Byrnes in Donegal in the 1665
Hearth Money rolls. The surnames Ferguson and Wilson are unknown quantities.

I did the following search in Ysearch to see if any matches were to be found
outside of the R1b1c7 project. I took the first 12 markers of the R1b1c7
modal and added DYS 458 = 18; DYS 447 = 24; and DYS 576 = 17. These are the
markers where this particular group differ from the overall R1b1c7 modal.
Parameters, 15 markers, 0 genetic distance. I omitted CDYb since it's such a
flaky marker.

Results:

2BZVG McGlothlen Donegal, Ireland R1b1c7 (tested)
9F7N8 McLaughlin Possibly Letterkenny or environs, Donegal, Ireland R1b*
EX7BV Doherty Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA
Q7KMX Show McGlothlin Isle of Man, Scotland
vw4hb Show McLaughlin Inis Eonáin (preliminary), Ireland R1b1c7 (tested)

All Dohertys and McLaughlins.

I find this too significant in terms of the shared history and location of
the Dohertys and McLaughlins to be mere coincidence. In addition to these two
families, a few other samples on Ysearch have the exact same DNA pattern.


CDJ57 Gallagher Donegal (County), Ireland
YKCHB Donnelly Ireland
SMGF Donnelly Ireland
BMW3B Donnelly Bellaghy, Ireland
NM4WF Conlon Westmeath
VHHAF O'Boyle unknown
5SQMG Neill Ireland
GE8QH Neill unknown
2WEAD Neel Ulster
EJA9K Kennedy Ireland
SMGF Kennedy Ireland
SMGF Granahan Donegal Surname
NK7RK Devenny

The Gallaghers were, like the Dohertys, from Donegal. The Donnellys were
like the McLaughlins and O'Neills, Cenel Eoghain. So were the Devennys from
Donegal. The O'Boyles were from Donegal. Granahan is a common Donegal
surname. Conlan may be southern Ui Neill (from Westmeath). We have a few more
Neill/Neels to add to the mix.

If you do a different search in Ysearch with the first 12 R1b1c7 markers
plus DYS 447 = 24 (0 genetic distance) you get 24 matches out of the close to
1000 NW Irish DNA matches.

P772N "Foster" St. Martins, New Brunswick, Canada R1b1c7 (tested) Family
Tree DNA 13 0
XF6U7 Towne Great Yarmouth, England Unknown Family Tree DNA 13 0
vw4hb Show McLaughlin Inis Eonáin (preliminary), Ireland R1b1c7 (tested)
Family Tree DNA 13 0
YKCHB Donley Ireland R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 13 0
P853Z McLaughlin Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 13 0
PKJH4 Doherty Clougherna, Ardagh, Clonmany Parish, Co. Donegal, Ireland
R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 13 0
C7N4C Show English "Niall of the Nine Hostages", Ireland R1b1 (tested)
Family Tree DNA 13 0
CDJ57 Gallagher Donegal (County), Ireland R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA
13 0
4944Z Grady Roscrea, Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 13 0
EJA9K kennedy Ireland R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 13 0
EX7BV Doherty Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 13 0
2BZVG McGlothlen Donegal, Ireland R1b1c7 (tested) Family Tree DNA 13 0
9F7N8 McLaughlin Possibly Letterkenny or environs, Donegal, Ireland R1b*
Family Tree DNA 13 0
UTK7U Dougherty Donegal, Ireland R1b1c7 (tested) Family Tree DNA 13 0
VYD3F McLaughlin Donegal, Ireland R1b1c7* Other - smgf.org 13 0
MP2PE McLaughlin Family Modal, 37/6=217,25/3=114,, Ulster, Ireland
Unknown Family Tree DNA 13 0
Q7KMX Show McGlothlin Isle of Man, Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 13 0
GTDGC McLaughlin Scotland R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 13 0
XQVDF McDaniel Bedford, Pennsylvania, USA R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA
13 0
6FDG7 Moore South Carolina, USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 13 0
VVKQ7 McCally Virginia, USA R1b* Family Tree DNA 13 0
EAU62 Soakell Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 13 0
J8Y2R Montgomery Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 13 0
W9TPC Bennett (Adopted) Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 13 0

Now we have two more known NPEs (Foster, known surname change; Soakal).
Still mostly McLaughlins and Dohertys with a few other surnames thrown in.
Few if any from England or Scotland. Mostly in Ireland.

Any comments or suggestions as to what this might mean? Maybe it doesn't
mean anything at all. But I cannot help but suspect that this
Doherty/McLaughin connection means something. Some of the other matches could be random
mutations or convergence.



John




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