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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:08:47 EDT

David

I agree, not much to go on, but something to bear in mind for future
reference. Scandinavian influence is something that cannot be ruled out as far as
Galloway and Dumfriesshire go. If you get a chance to read Gillian
Fellows-Jenson's article on 'Scandinavians in Dumfriesshire and Galloway', you'll see
where I am coming from. I'm keeping an open mind? I have updated my webpage on
the Barony of Tibbers, and included a scanned copy of Gilbert Grierson, first
of Lag's seal. I have enlarged it for your attention.

_The Barony of Tibbers_
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alanmilliken/Research/ScottishRecords/Miscellaneous/TibbersCharters.html)

Take a careful look at this seal! You might wish to compare this with other
seals contained in the same catalogue or Fairbarin's Crest of the Families of
Britain and Ireland.

Alan

In a message dated 09/09/2007 12:50:46 GMT Standard Time,
writes:

Alan,
I'm not sure we can take this line of speculation very far with three
haplogroups/clades showing. For instance, that single R1b might be the
Scots line. Also, are they genuine haplogroups, or just the rough
estimates of the FTDNA computer? As an example, nearly half of the
Greers tested, or estimated, are said to be Scandinavian, and they have
similar haplotypes, suggesting an incursion (probably in Ireland) by a
Viking family, with a bit of friendly rape and pillage. But that doesn't
make the Laird of Lag or his nominal ancestor Duncan Greresone a Viking.
Why they became "Greer" is yet to be explained otherwise, the Irish
being much more specific about surnames than the Scots, it seems. I'd
stick with R1b(....) for the Lords of Nithsdale for the moment.
Regards
David Grierson in Melbourne

wrote:

>
>Hi David/Ian
>
>Thought you guys might be interested in this piece of information. As you
>probably know the Edgar family of Dumfriesshire and Galloway claim to be
>directly descended from Edgar son of Dovenald, lord of Nithsdale. I have
been on
>the look out for some DNA samples either with reference to Scotland or the
>North of Ireland. A number of the family settled in Co. Down in the North
of
>Ireland. I was surprised to find four new DNA results on Ysearch, three of
them
>come from Co. Down and one unknown. They are:
>
>DK3DB = I1a
>KB4J2 = I1a
>V5DKB = I1b
>SSVVH = R1b
>
>I understand I1a and I1b show a strong orientation towards Scandinavian
>countries? If this results reflect the Edgar haplotype, this might throw
some
>interesting light on the origins of the Edgars and question the origins of
the
>lords of Nithsdale.
>

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