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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] Toward a phylogenetic chronology of ancient Gaulish,Celtic, and Indo-European
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:56:50 -0400

Excerpt from:
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/100/15/9079.pdf

The Celtic branching pattern
> evident in the network possibly reflects the prehistoric migration
> route of the ancient Celtic language: the split between Continental
> and Insular Celtic would then correspond to the arrival in
> the British Isles, and the split between Goidelic and Brythonic
> would correspond to their subsequent isolation in Ireland and
> Britain, respectively. Furthermore, the recent (circa 6th century)
> migrations of Irish to Scotland and of British to France are
> reflected in the short Scots Gaelic and Breton tips of the Celtic
> branches in Fig. 3.
>

For the fragmentation of Gaulish, Goidelic, and
> Brythonic from their most recent common ancestor, the lexeme
> tree yields a date of 3200 BC 1,500 years, but this date should
> be regarded as exploratory because it is based on only three
> estimators, i.e., three descendent branches. The date of 3200
> BC 1,500 years would represent an oldest feasible estimate for
> the arrival of Celtic in the British Isles, and indeed is expected
> to be close to the actual date if the phylogenetic split between
> features.
>

So, it's possible that Neolithic farmers spread out from the Near East,
Anatolia (modern Turkey) or the the Balkans - whichever you consider the
homeland of the Indo-Europeans - and brought not only farming, but the
Celtic language with them. Spreading along the Mediterranean shores of
Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, before sailing up the Atlantic. Then
spread to the Britain and Ireland as recently as 3,200 years ago.

Of course R1b is found in Anatolia and surrounding areas, and along the
proposed route, especially in Iberia, but it would be interesting to see
more results, and if R1b1c7 actually existed in any French, Spanish or
Portugese DNA samples.

This thread:

• [DNA-R1B1C7] Toward a phylogenetic chronology of ancient Gaulish,Celtic, and Indo-European by "Paul Conroy" <>

  • Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Toward a phylogenetic chronology of ancientGaulish, Celtic, and Indo-European by "David Wilson" <>
    • Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Toward a phylogenetic chronology of ancientGaulish, Celtic, and Indo-European by "Paul Conroy" <>