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From: "David Wilson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Check out For the first time we are taking aboutreal people.!
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:49:58 -0700

A note of caution: The referenced newspaper story is over a year and a half old. It was written immediately after the release of the Trinity College Dublin study that connected the R1b1c7 group (which still had no haplogroup designation at that time) to the semi-legendary Niall of the Nine Hostages. Thus the article is an attempt to popularize a first set of preliminary conclusions based on a more limited data base than what is available to us now.

The article makes it sound as though ALL R1b1c7 are Niall descendants. That is improbable in the extreme, and the numerous new R1b1c7 haplotypes that have come to life in the last many months include some that seem remote from the core Niall group.

If you want to read the actual Trinity College Dublin study itself, rather than a reporter's summary, you can find a link in the last paragraph on this page: www.ftdna.com/public/R1b1c7 Remember that the TCD report was based on haplotypes of 17 markers. We have far more extensive haplotypes now, including many that run to 67 markers and even a few with far more than that.

And don't lose sight of the tradition that Niall himself was, according to legend, a descendant of an earlier kings who would have had descendants in non-Niall branches. Niall may have been a major factor in spreading a particular cluster throughout Northern Ireland and Lowland Scotland, but the cluster existed before him and may have been in the area for thousands of years. Remember that Oppenheimer thinks the ancestors of the R1b1c7 group walked into what we now call Ireland before the Lesser Dryas -- perhaps 15,000 years ago.

David Wilson





On 9/14/2007 8:24:56 AM, wrote:
> I'm not the author of this publication .Respectively everyone who reads it
> will form their own opinion. What makes R1B1C7 so exiting it is allegedly
> connected to a real person and thousands of articles and web sites pertaining to
> him .The fertile man raises more questions than answers.
> Gerarld
>
> _High King Niall: the most fertile man in Ireland_
> (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/newspapers/sunday_times/ireland/article788652.ece)
>
> Powerful men in medieval Ireland had many wives and children. Divorce and
> concubinage were allowed and illegitimate sons were claimed and had rights under
> law.
> “Under Brehon law a man had a first wife, a live-in concubine, a live-out
> concubine and someone he just casually met and so on,” said Simms. “In each of
> these cases a child could take the father’s name.”
> Modern surnames tracing their ancestry to Niall include Gallagher, Boyle, O’
> Donnell, O’Doherty and O’Kane. Even in the 15th century, Niall’s descendants
> were producing offspring in abundance. Lord Turlough O’Donnell, who died in
> 1423, had 18 sons with 10 different women and had 59 grandsons in the male
> line.
>
>
>
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