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From: "Donald Milligan" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:45:38 -0700
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TURD OF THE NITH:

MY TAKE ON THE NORDIC RESULTS COULD INDICATE THE HIGHLY POSSIBLE GALLGAEL
ORIGINS OF FERGUS OF GALLOWAY & DUNEGAL OF STRATH NIITH?

JOHN MILLIKIN CALLED & LEFT A MESSAGE THAT A MILLIKIN LADY FROM CANADA
WOULD CALL ME BEFORE LEAVING FOR IRELAND SOON.
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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland


>
> Hi David/Ian
>
> Thought you guys might be interested in this piece of information. As you
> probably know the Edgar family of Dumfriesshire and Galloway claim to be
> directly descended from Edgar son of Dovenald, lord of Nithsdale. I have
> been on
> the look out for some DNA samples either with reference to Scotland or
> the
> North of Ireland. A number of the family settled in Co. Down in the North
> of
> Ireland. I was surprised to find four new DNA results on Ysearch, three of
> them
> come from Co. Down and one unknown. They are:
>
> DK3DB = I1a
> KB4J2 = I1a
> V5DKB = I1b
> SSVVH = R1b
>
> I understand I1a and I1b show a strong orientation towards Scandinavian
> countries? If this results reflect the Edgar haplotype, this might throw
> some
> interesting light on the origins of the Edgars and question the origins
> of the
> lords of Nithsdale.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> In a message dated 30/07/2007 04:00:58 GMT Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> Alan,
> Ah, evidence! I surmise that your "evidence" is not what may generally
> be found on the web. My deduction is based on the absence of evidence
> rather than the existence of evidence. What I was alluding to was the
>
> "Duncan son of Gilbert, earl of Carrick" that I mentioned in my earlier
> post, and the questions I asked about Carrick and the Galloway
> relationship. I
> guess I was in highly speculative mode, and was also keeping in mind the
> suggestion raised in much earlier discussions between us which developed
> from the
> Truckell suggestion that the Griersons were related to the lordship of
> Galloway.
>
> My line of thought was (given the Truckell idea):
> Gilbert (died 1185) was Lord of Galloway .
> His son, Duncan, (1st earl of Carrick, died 1250) was witness to the
> Charter
> of *[25] Edgar son of Dovenald *of AD1202-1206
>
> Now if this Duncan had a son Gilbert (I thought), we would have a nice
> progression. However (and this is what I meant by my post), there is no
> "evidence"
> that I can find which connects our Gilbert (Greresone) to the earldom of
> Carrick. All we can say is that both Duncan and Gilbert were popular
> choices for
> names in this branch of the Galloway family (which I see the Kennedys
> claim
> for theirs), and presumably the names would also be popular among the
> local
> landed families.
> According to the author of the Wikipedia article on the earldom of
> Carrick,
> Duncan had at least 5 sons: Niall, Cailean, Eoin, Ailean, Alasdair.
>
> No sign of a Gilbert, although the name re-appeared in the next
> generations according to:
> http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-03/bruce-01.html but they all are shown
> as "de Carrick".
>
> So I'm afraid that this line of thought has collapsed.
> Regards
> David Grierson
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