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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:19:34 EDT
Thought you guys might be interested in this piece of information. As you
probably know the Edgar family of Dumfriesshire and Galloway claim to be
directly descended from Edgar son of Dovenald, lord of Nithsdale. I have been on
the look out for some DNA samples either with reference to Scotland or the
North of Ireland. A number of the family settled in Co. Down in the North of
Ireland. I was surprised to find four new DNA results on Ysearch, three of them
come from Co. Down and one unknown. They are:
DK3DB = I1a
KB4J2 = I1a
V5DKB = I1b
SSVVH = R1b
I understand I1a and I1b show a strong orientation towards Scandinavian
countries? If this results reflect the Edgar haplotype, this might throw some
interesting light on the origins of the Edgars and question the origins of the
lords of Nithsdale.
In a message dated 30/07/2007 04:00:58 GMT Standard Time,
Ah, evidence! I surmise that your "evidence" is not what may generally
be found on the web. My deduction is based on the absence of evidence
rather than the existence of evidence. What I was alluding to was the
"Duncan son of Gilbert, earl of Carrick" that I mentioned in my earlier
post, and the questions I asked about Carrick and the Galloway relationship. I
guess I was in highly speculative mode, and was also keeping in mind the
suggestion raised in much earlier discussions between us which developed from the
Truckell suggestion that the Griersons were related to the lordship of
My line of thought was (given the Truckell idea):
Gilbert (died 1185) was Lord of Galloway .
His son, Duncan, (1st earl of Carrick, died 1250) was witness to the Charter
of * Edgar son of Dovenald *of AD1202-1206
Now if this Duncan had a son Gilbert (I thought), we would have a nice
progression. However (and this is what I meant by my post), there is no "evidence"
that I can find which connects our Gilbert (Greresone) to the earldom of
Carrick. All we can say is that both Duncan and Gilbert were popular choices for
names in this branch of the Galloway family (which I see the Kennedys claim
for theirs), and presumably the names would also be popular among the local
According to the author of the Wikipedia article on the earldom of Carrick,
Duncan had at least 5 sons: Niall, Cailean, Eoin, Ailean, Alasdair.
No sign of a Gilbert, although the name re-appeared in the next
generations according to:
http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-03/bruce-01.html but they all are shown
as "de Carrick".
So I'm afraid that this line of thought has collapsed.