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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:12:30 EDT



In a message dated 03/08/2007 02:37:26 GMT Standard Time,
writes:

Have you gentlemen compared your DNA to the Doherty, McLaughlin,
O'Gallagher, O'Donnell, O'Boyle samples in my spreadsheets? I personally
see no
defining marker combinations that would show a distinction between Cenel
Conaill and
Cenel Eoghain DNA. What I see are some distinctive marker combinations
that define Doherty, McLaughlin, and O'Gallagher as individual families.
Part
of the problem in comparing your DNA to these samples is as far as I can
tell
none of you have more than 25 marker tests. And some of the defining
markers
don't kick in until you upgrade to 37 markers.



Hi John

I have been on holiday and just back this weekend. Thanks. I hadn't looked
at your webpage, but since receiving your email I have gone through your
'MacLochlainn of Tirconnell DNA - A "Donegal" Cluster?'. In our own group there a
some who already have taken the 37 marker test, and their results are online.
Unfortunately, not everyone took their test with FTDNA, some took it with DNA
Heritage and Relative Genetics, who use slightly different marks from FTDNA.

I have added the extra markers to the DNA Galloway chart for your
consideration: _DNA-Galloway_
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alanmilliken/Research/DNAStudies/dna-galloway.htm)

You'll note the Milliken/Milligans have at YCA11 = 19-23, the same as the
McLaughlin Modal.

At DYS 458, the range various between 17 and 19.

All the Milliken/Milligans are consistent at DYS 447 = 25. This sames to be
an important marker and fits the Ui Neill Modal. It is interesting that
O'Doherty's also fit this modal.

Perhaps someone on the List might be able to speculate on the distance
between the Ui Naill Modal and the Milliken/Milligan DNA results and the time
scales for TMRCA. This might then help to work out approximately when the
Milliken/Milligans branched off from the McLaughlin/O'Dohertys.

I have updated the Ua Maelagain webpage: _The Septs of Ua Maolagain_
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alanmilliken/Research/IrishRecords/Miscellan
eous/SeptUaMaelagain.html)

In this article, I am really aiming to pull together all the known
information we have on the Ua Maelagain in Donegal prior to 1600, which isn't much.
Geographically the Finn Valley suits this family. The genealogies in the book
of Lecan link them to the Cenel Moan. Furthermore, it is evident the election
of Muircedach Ua Maolagain to the abbacy of Derry-Columcille was supported by
the Cenel Eogan from whom the Cenel Maon branch off from. It would really
help if two or three people from the O'Mulligan line in Donegal took part in
the Ysearch Project. I guess, we will have to wait and see how things develop.

There is one Gormley DNA result on Ysearch that matches very close to our
own. I have placed this result above the Milliken/Milligans and below the
McLaughlin Modal. Unfortunately, the participants simple give Ireland as the place
of origin. As you know the O'Gormley were chiefs of the Cenel Moan, and
therefore related to the O'Miulligans. The Gormley result is a pretty close
match to the first three Milliken/Milligan results and makes me wonder if there
is a link between them!

Alan








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