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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:31:27 -0400
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John,

Donohoe and Flannagan are definitely Irish names, Devine is usually
considered Irish, Slavens is possibly related to Slavin, which is usually
considered Irish too.
The problem with some of the names derived from native Irish in the North of
Ireland is that they have been migrating to Scotland for the last few
centuries - mostly to work in industry - and so the name may be widely
distributed in Lowland Scotland also.

Cheers,
Paul

On 8/9/07, <> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 8/9/2007 1:59:35 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> Ideally some scientist out there would do a cluster analysis and break
> down
> the R1b1c7 group into smaller clusters.
>
>
>
> John McEwen already has - but I've looked at his clusters and can't tell
> much from them myself. He calls the R1b1c7 group R1bSTR19.
>
> _http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/m222v3a.pdf_
> (http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/m222v3a.pdf)
>
>
> If you look at this cluster diagram, you'll see at least some possible Ui
> Neill surnames at the top of the cluster. These include Hagan, McGonagle,
> Doherty, McGovern, Cowan, McGee. After this we see a lot of surnames
> that appear
> to be mostly Scottish, with some Irish tossed in. But some of these Ui
> Neill surnames repeat in different clusters, ie, Doherty,
> McGovern. The one
> McLaughlin sample in the cluster does not match our Donegal
> McLaughlin cluster.
>
> Then sprinkled in with other surnames are a few possibly
> Irish surnames:
> Devine, Donohoe, Slavens, Flannagan. With most of these surname it's
> almost
> impossible to determine if they are native Irish or Scottish.
>
> I'm not seeing any clear cut geographical groupings in these clusters.
> Can anyone else?
>
>
> John
>
>
>
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