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From: "Paul Conroy" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:04:44 -0400
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David,

During the initial colonization of the NE of Ireland the land was
depopulated - later Irish people moved back there, but how can we know that
they were similar in DNA distribution to the population that has been
displaced?

Cheers,
Paul

On 8/8/07, David Ewing <> wrote:
>
> Paul Conroy writes,
> "NE Ireland was depopulated of Native Irish only about 400 years ago..."
>
> The Native Irish were never completely "depopulated" from anywhere in
> Ulster
> and their descendants are today living everywhere in Ulster (and around
> the
> world).
>
> A poll tax "census" ca1659 found 7,074 (45%) English and Scots, and 8,965
> (55%) Irish in Antrim; in Down, there were 6,540 (43%) English and Scots,
> and 8,643 (57%) Irish. [ref: Philip Robinson, The Plantation of Ulster, p
> 105.]
>
> "By the second half of the [18th] century Catholics [ie, Native Irish]
> were
> in a minority in Antrim, Down and Derry, equal in numbers in Armagh and
> Tyrone, but in a majority in the other counties [of Ulster]." Marianne
> Elliott, The Catholics of Ulster, p 195. Ms. Elliott also says, "In the
> eighteenth century Catholics accounted for only 8 per cent of [Antrim's]
> population, largely clustered on its western fringes (from where the
> Catholic west-Belfast enclave would later deveop). By mid-nineteenth
> century
> they were 33 per cent of its population, the rapid influx of often poor
> rural Catholics in preceding decades forming the backdrop to the ugly
> sectarian riots for with Belfast has become notorious." Marianne Elliott,
> The Catholics of Ulster, p xl.
>
> There are still descendants of "Native Irish" in Antrim and Down today,
> not
> to mention Glasgow, Kansas and Tasmania.
>
> David Ewing
>
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