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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:14:48 EDT
Hi David/John. It looks as though the area I highlighted has been lost in
the cyber-space. I'll try again with a different style. The text from the Four
Masters:
M1005.7
Echmhilidh Ua hAitidhe, lord of Ui-Eathach, was slain by the Ulidians
themselves.
Extract from the Book of Cluain-mic-Nois, and the Book of the Island, i.e.
the Island of the Saints, in Loch Ribh.
A great army was led by Brian, son of Ceinneidigh, into Cinel-Conaill and
Cinel-Eoghain, to demand hostages. The route they took was through the middle of
Connaught, over Eas-Ruaidh, through the middle of Tir-Conaill, through
Cinel-Eoghain, over Feartas Camsa, into Dal-Riada, into Dal-Araidhe, into Ulidia,
into Conaille-Muirtheimhne; and they arrived, about Lammas, at Bealach-duin.
The Leinstermen then proceeded southwards across Breagha to their territory,
and the foreigners by sea round eastwards southwards? to their fortress. The
Munstermen also and the Osraighi went through Meath westwards to their
countries. The Ulidians rendered hostages on this occasion; but they Brian Borumha
and his party did not obtain the hostages of the races of Conall and Eoghan.
The section that I referred to:
"the foreigners by sea round eastwards southwards? to their fortress"
It seems to me, the main text cited has several elements and can be divided
into the following sections.
1. A great army was led by Brian, son of Ceinneidigh, into Cinel-Conaill and
Cinel-Eoghain, to demand hostages. The route they took was through the middle
of Connaught, over Eas-Ruaidh, through the middle of Tir-Conaill, through
Cinel-Eoghain, over Feartas Camsa, into Dal-Riada, into Dal-Araidhe, into
Ulidia, into Conaille-Muirtheimhne; and they arrived, about Lammas, at
Bealach-duin.
2. The Leinstermen then proceeded southwards across Breagha to their
territory.
3. The Foreigners by sea round eastwards southwards? to their fortress.
4. The Munstermen also and the Osraighi went through Meath westwards to their
countries.
In all it would seem Brian's army consisted of men drawn from Leinster,
Munster and Osraighi. In 1005, I would think the Foreigners were mainly Norsemen
with perhaps men drawn from the Gall Gaedhil. The foreigners are stated to
have travelled home by "sea", and headed eastward and probably southward. The
statement itself is very vague. Nonetheless, it gives the impression that
these men came to Ireland by sea. If the case, it raises the interesting
question, where did they come from?
Alan
In a message dated 03/08/2007 17:31:11 GMT Standard Time,
writes:
Alan Milliken said, "I have highlighted the passage that might be of
interest. What does this passage actually mean?"
Formatting such as highlighting doesn't come through on the list, so I'm not
clear about which passage Alan refers to, not that I am clear about what any
of the M1005.7 quote he offers "actually means." I fear that I am in a
conversation that I don't have the background for. That said, I don't see
any mention of Scotland at all in the material that Alan quoted for us,
unless it be "Dal-Riada," but based on the context, I take the reference to
Dal Riada to be only to that part of it in Ireland.
Here is a link that tells the story in more modern English, probably based
on the same manuscript:
http://www.thepeerage.com/e416.htm
David Ewing
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