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From: "Donald Milligan" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:50:26 -0700
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Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland

> Hi David, I have been going through the Annals of Ulster and the Four
> Masters, and will look the others in time to extract all the references I
> can find
> that refer to Scotland, including the Western Isles. I must say, the old
> annalist provide an interesting paper trail, that is often over looked. I
> notice
> under the 1005 section of the Four Masters, for the online edition at
> The Corpus of Electronic Texts, the editors have added the following
> reference:
> M1005.7
> Echmhilidh Ua hAitidhe, lord of Ui-Eathach, was slain by the Ulidians
> themselves.
> Extract from the Book of Cluain-mic-Nois, and the Book of the Island,
> i.e.
> the Island of the Saints, in Loch Ribh.
> A great army was led by Brian, son of Ceinneidigh, into Cinel-Conaill and
> Cinel-Eoghain, to demand hostages. The route they took was through the
> middle of
> Connaught, over Eas-Ruaidh, through the middle of Tir-Conaill, through
> Cinel-Eoghain, over Feartas Camsa, into Dal-Riada, into Dal-Araidhe, into
> Ulidia,
> into Conaille-Muirtheimhne; and they arrived, about Lammas, at
> Bealach-duin.
> The Leinstermen then proceeded southwards across Breagha to their
> territory,
> and the foreigners by sea round eastwards southwards? to their fortress.
> The
> Munstermen also and the Osraighi went through Meath westwards to their
> countries. The Ulidians rendered hostages on this occasion; but they Brian
> Borumha
> and his party did not obtain the hostages of the races of Conall and
> Eoghan.
> I have highlighted the passage that might be of interest. What does this
> passage actually mean?
> Alan Milliken
> In a message dated 29/07/2007 17:01:32 GMT Standard Time,
> writes:
> We believe that "Ewing" was first used as a surname in the eleventh
> century
> or so in the Lowlands of Scotland by some of the people who had descended
> from the Dumnonii, Brythonic Celts of Alt Clud, later known as
> Strathclyde.
> There is some reason to think that some of the first Ewings may have
> been centered around the southern end of Loch Lomand in the northern part
> of
> that region, on the north side of the Firth of Clyde. This area was
> taken
> over by Gaels in the eleventh century and came to be known as Lennox. One
> would assume the Gaels who moved in were Dal Riata, and came into Lennox
> from Argyll, but I've just read something that makes me think things are
> more complicated.
> Let me quote from Early History and Languages of West Dunbartonshire, an
> article by Simon Taylor, which appeared in Changing Identities, Ancient
> Roots, the History of West Dunbartonshire from Earliest Times, edited by
> Ian
> Brown and published by Edinburgh University Press, 2006:
> As for Lennox, our earliest reference comes from the early
> twelfth-century Irish text about the wars between the Irish gaels and the
> Norse, usually referred to in English as 'The War of the Gaedhil with the
> Gaill.' Its heroic central character is the famous Irish king Brian
> Boruma,
> who died in battle in 1014. However, it is more about the politics of
> Ireland and the Irish Sea world at the time it was written, about a
> century
> later, than about the time of Brian. It was commissioned by Brian's
> great-grandson Muirchertach son of Tairdelbhach, who dominated Irish Sea
> politics for many years before his death in 1119. One passage purports to
> describe Brian's levying tribute and hostages in 1005 from peoples
> surrounding the Irish Sea, that is 'from the English and Britons, and the
> people of Lennox, that is [Lennox] of Scotland, and Argyll.' Tis suggests
> that Lennox fell within Muirchertach's sphere of lordship, or at least
> within his sphere of ambition, around the year 1100.
> It might be to this obscure period in Lennox's history that the roots
> can be traced of the mormaers or early earls of Lennox, as they are
> portrayed in a poem by the Irish poet Muireadhach O Dalaigh, written
> around
> 1200. This poem is written in Gaelic, and addressed to Alun or Alwyn son
> of
> Muireadhach, the first recorded mormaer or earl of Lennox, who died c.
> 1200.
> It is one of two poems by this poet that were addressed to Lennox
> patrons...
> Both show not only that the language and culture of the ruling kin of
> Lennox
> was still thoroughly Gaelic in the early thirteenth century, but also
> that
> this ruling kin were proud to see their origins in terms of the
> mythological
> history of Ireland, more precisely of Munster (south-west Ireland). The
> family of Ui Briain (to whom Muirchertach son of Tairdelbhach belonged)
> originated in Munster, and these Munster connections of the earls of
> Lennox
> celebrated in poetry around the year 1200 may be an echo of close Ui
> Briain
> involvement a century earlier.
> It sounds as though there certainly may have been enough contact with
> Irish
> Gaels to spread a little DNA around not just with Irish from Ulster, but
> also some from Munster.
> David Ewing
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