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From: "J. David Grierson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in Scotland
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:00:46 +1000
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Alan,
Ah, evidence! I surmise that your "evidence" is not what may generally
be found on the web. My deduction is based on the absence of evidence
rather than the existence of evidence. What I was alluding to was the

"Duncan son of Gilbert, earl of Carrick" that I mentioned in my earlier post, and the questions I asked about Carrick and the Galloway relationship. I guess I was in highly speculative mode, and was also keeping in mind the suggestion raised in much earlier discussions between us which developed from the Truckell suggestion that the Griersons were related to the lordship of Galloway.

My line of thought was (given the Truckell idea):
Gilbert (died 1185) was Lord of Galloway .
His son, Duncan, (1st earl of Carrick, died 1250) was witness to the Charter of *[25] Edgar son of Dovenald *of AD1202-1206

Now if this Duncan had a son Gilbert (I thought), we would have a nice progression. However (and this is what I meant by my post), there is no "evidence" that I can find which connects our Gilbert (Greresone) to the earldom of Carrick. All we can say is that both Duncan and Gilbert were popular choices for names in this branch of the Galloway family (which I see the Kennedys claim for theirs), and presumably the names would also be popular among the local landed families.
According to the author of the Wikipedia article on the earldom of Carrick, Duncan had at least 5 sons: Niall, Cailean, Eoin, Ailean, Alasdair.

No sign of a Gilbert, although the name re-appeared in the next
generations according to:
http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-03/bruce-01.html but they all are shown
as "de Carrick".

So I'm afraid that this line of thought has collapsed.
Regards
David Grierson




wrote:

>
>Hi David, i'm intrigued, what line is 'Gilbert son of Duncan' then of and
>what evidence is on Google to support it. Alan
>
>In a message dated 29/07/2007 09:35:06 GMT Standard Time,
> writes:
>
>Alan,
>Please disregard my last, I've had time to do some more research on
>Google, there is quite a lot of material there. It would appear that,
>despite the Gilbert - Duncan progression, that "our Gilbert son of
>Duncan" is of a different family.
>Regards
>David Grierson
>
>

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