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From: "R. C. Mac Donald" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Introduction
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:06:49 -0400
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Ken,

I will contact FTDNA and ask them about this, even though I take it from what you say that you have tried, or you know of someone who has tried, without a satisfactory answer. But just to be clear about what we're talking about, are you claiming that you know of people who had "tested" appear in their YSearch information even though they never had an SNP test? Or are you just saying that "tested" showed up in their information without their entering it?

As for your last message, yes, there are situations that call for SNP testing and there are those that don't; our disagreement is over which of these holds for someone classified as R1b1c7. If your concern is to determine your place in a group, then the test is useful for those with unusual haplotypes, as you said, and it would be a waste of time and money for anyone else. But if you want to define the boundaries of the group itself, then it makes sense to have as many members of the group as possible tested. If a significant number of R1b1c7s turn out to be M222-, or it turns out that there are a group of, say, R1b1c6s or R1b1c10s who are M222+ this will mean we have to reconsider the suppositions we have been making thus far (such as the doubt that's been cast on the descent of the O'Neills from Niall of the Nine Hostages).

RCM
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Nordtvedt<mailto:>
To: <mailto:>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] Introduction


----- Original Message -----
From: "R. C. Mac Donald" <<mailto:>>


> Ken,
>
> Unless you're alleging outright fraud by FTDNA, I think you agree that at
> the very least "tested" indicates that some kind of test was performed,
> don't you?

Not fraud, but extreme carelessness. Please get a clear statement from
FTDNA as to what the "tested" is supposed to mean that they added on their
own to thousands of Ysearch entries, but not others. The owners of those
entries were not consulted ahead of time. I don't know if the owners can
overwrite the "tested" or not, as I have never tried. My entry is not
marked "tested" though in fact has been tested to the hilt, just not by
FTDNA.

If you get a clear statement as to what "tested" means, pass it on to us.

Ken



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