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From: Steven Lominac <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in England
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:06:40 -0500


Here is the only thing i have on Sinor from Woulfe's page 277-278:

•De Sionuir—XI—de Synors, de Sinors, de Sunors,
Shinnor, Shinnors; Nor. ' de Sinors,' etc., i.e., of
Sinors or Sunors, apparently some spot in England ;
an old, but rare, Anglo-Norman surname found
chiefly in East Limerick and in parts of Connacht.
V. Sionuir.

Steve Lominac
> From: > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:54:43 -0400> To: > Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in England> > Here's a list of matches I found in Ysearch mainly (some in Sorenson) that > seem to match the NW Irish or R1b1c7 modal. All listed their origins in > England. Again, some may not truly be NW Irish. I basically pulled up everyone > with DYS 390 = 25, DYS 392 = 14, and DYS 389-2 = 29. That may have been too > broad a net to be sure at 12 markers. A few are so off modal I question > whether they are really NW Irish myself.> > I find this list of English matches even more difficult to explain than > those in Scotland. How could someone named Blanchard in England be descended > from the NW Irish in historical times? The Blanchard donor can't believe it > either. This sample is also an M222+. The list goes on and on. Caverly, > Chandler, Cornwall, Cuthbert, Drake, Heathering, Maxwell, Sinor, Smithwhite, and > perhaps most improbably all of, Waddleworth.> > I plugged each and every one of these names into the Surname Profiler. > Almost without exception each was from the northern reaches of England somewhere > near the Scottish border. There are a few obviously Celtic surnames among > them (Kelly, Mullins). Some were so rare there was no listing for them in the > 1881 census (Sinor).> > SMGF Ballard England> RNN7U Bartley UK> YBVQH Begley Cheshire, England> 7S4FZ Bell England> NUKXT Blanchard England> QTA4H Calvert England> M4KNH Carter England> MN7UR Caverly UK> PPDJV Caverly Yorkshire, England> XVT5M Chandler England> 8J624 Clarkson England> RSA7R Cornwell England> KKTXW Crawley England> SMGF Cuthbert England> HHRWR Curry Lancashire, England> S9YUX Dalton England> TQUMQ Drake Devon or Devonshire, England > UPY6Y English unk.> FWMXN Foyle Wiltshire, England> PZBYY Galyean SC> YHNGU Hargis England> TRTGD Heatherington Northumberland, England > HJKGJ Heron England> 7ZSE7 Knowles Hull, Yorkshire, England > XG4VG Johnston Channel Island between England and Ireland> 9N7WM Kelly UK> 5BEE9 Kyle unk.> 2T5UG Maddux U.S.> JE675 Maddox U.S.> 84SDD Maxwell Lancashire, England> N5TSM Meredith UK> V7KUH Moore United Kingdom> ZFNX9 Moore United Kingdom> 4E2V4 Mullins UK> 9Y75A Mullins UK> Y78PM Pickup Lancashire, England> YGYQQ Richardson England> EK7CQ Short England> 9EUBC Sinor unk.> 7WEDR Sinor unk.> SMGF SMITHWHITE > SMGF Soord England> YGMX4 Thomas U.S.> VJG68 Trott England> NR5EV Vines Leicester, Leicestershire, England > F77ZX Washington unk.> 7HKQY Ware England> SMGF WADDLEWORTH > QKDBH Wheeler Wiltshire, England > YX6H6 Whiteside England> > > I can buy into the Scottish matches being descended from Irish colonists at > Iona or some other similar explanation. Some have mentioned other Irish > monastic foundations elsewhere in Scotland. These I know nothing about. But > it's extremely difficult for me to imagine someone named Waddleworth in England > being descended from Nial 'of the Nine Hostages.' The Waddleworth DNA came > from the Sorenson database. The first 12 markers are a perfect match with NW > Irish DNA. If he'd tested at FTDNA they would have stuck a Nial pin on his Y > chromosome page after the first 12 markers.> > This is all very strange and wonderful. But at the same time pretty hard to > grasp.> > > John> > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.>; > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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